Confusing District Line

If, as I think, you are talking about it being split like the people are discussing the Northern Line Split Clicky then, as with the Northern line, I reckon that simply taking the Wimbleware away from the District will have little effect on punters, but would cause a fair bit more of a headache for LU, needing now another set of Drivers, exclusively for Wimblewares, costing them more money (more "better paid" I/O's, and more ordinary T/O's), and essentially messing up more lines if there is a problem, as opposed to just messing up 1 line in different places.

Why should this necessarily be?

There is an underlying issue - is a line a management unit; a service (or group) of them or a route? Something that is fundamentally 'internal' to the way the Underground (or the Overground, or the DLR) is run, or that is also 'external', used in communicating with the public, to help them get around the system? There is a need for both - but they need not match - passengers don't really care or need to know which manager is in charge (unless things have gone so wrong that they're after his hide), or what the rest of his empire is - they want to be able to easily distinguish the different services, so they get the right one.

Giving the Wimbleware a distinct 'line' identity  - i.e. name  and different colour on the map - will help the passenger - even if it's still run by Mike Challis with the same staff and assets that he has for the remaining District (via Victoria). And the same thing would help on the Northern line and Overground - which also have well differentiated services. (The DLR seems a much greater tangle)

(I note the Central & Waterloo & City and Circle & Hammersmith & City already share General Managers)

Can someone remind me whether any District trains actually show show the whole line on their in car diagrams?

If at Wimbledon there are two District drivers, and two trains - one to go to Edgware Road and one to Upminster, can both (necessarily) take either train to either destination?  

TfL would seem not to be keeping their web site up to date...



.... even if they can't run on all of it...



So the answer to my question was no... (BTW, can C stock run in passenger service to Upminster and back?)

In other words, the District is already rather fragmented internally

the Paris Metro, which is much more compact and therefore interconnected, manages to show 23 lines - Lines 1-14, 3bis, 7bis, RER lines A-E, and two tram routes.

Time was when the separate ownesrhip of the northern and southern legs of the Circle was shown on the Tube map rather than the through service. The Met has been split on the map into its four constituents,. even though two of them (H&C and Circle) are under common management and operation. It's time the District also showed services rather than management organistion.

It should be apparent from the map that Victoria to Paddington by direct District line train is not possible, any more than Wimbledon to Richmond is. What is less apparent is that there is no direct service from Richmond to Paddington (nor indeed that Ealing Broadway to Paddington does have a direct service, but it doesn't use the District Line!)

The number of colours that be created in vitreous enamel is more limited than printing on paper and card.

A pale green was allocated to the Chelsea - Hackney line many years ago. A lot has changed since then.

@class 413 - when we transferred the Drain to LU we were allowed to choose the line colour from an official palette (Moderator - cue for a separate thread here, surely, on line colours?) - besides the eau de nil that we chose, I seem to recall a very dark chocolate, a light beigey-brown and a lighter green, possibly also a cherry-red and a gamboge. Does anyone know what happened to that official chart? The Paris metro uses an interesting and very French Indian red as well as a light turquoise.



GH

If someone wants to create a thread to talk about diagram colours the appropriate board to create your thread is this one.

Please can we keep discussion here to the current District Line, there is the RIPAS board for discussion of ideas for separation etc...

Does the S7 currently trundling along the H&C have a full District Line diagram in it?

Sorry to have cause the 'offtopicness'. I really only posted the colour comment as a joke.

No need to apologise, think of the forum as people sat around tables in a pub, with a different discussion going on at each table. Conversations naturally drift, however sometimes it's time to get up and go to a new table because the people on your old table are still talking about the original thing. Moderators are here to help you find the right table, or occassionally suggest that you might want to go sit at another table. You can take the analogy further if you want, for some conversations you need to find a different pub; the Mods are glass collectors/bar staff whilst the Admins are the Landlord. Dave built the pub in the firstplace, and Proboards are our maintainence contractor, who have recently decided to change the carpet.

So yeah, erm... Upminster.

Well they've already split off the Circle, ELL and H&C, so why not the Wimbleware (which like the Circle, started as a joint operation - District trains over Met tracks)

Even as a seven year old* I didn't find the District confusing, and in those days it also went to Hounslow. The punters are (sometimes) more intelligent than we give them credit for.

*The days when anyone aged 7 would be let out to wander the tube alone without criminal intent are long gone.