Is there any signal game where..be LU signaler

Not that I'm aware of. There was a one in development by someone (MetApprentice I think) but not sure how far that has developed.

PC Rail did make a version of Earl's Court (comissioned by LUL to train new signallers), but due to security reasons it was never released publicly.

It still contains the signals/points etc...

Sam

You must, by now, be realising a theme to some of these threads. The one that goes somewhere along the lines of, "There are many things on LU which are not available for general public consumption."

Regardless of how anyone may use the information given to them by items such as a simulator, LU has put this kind of item into the above mentioned catergory.

It's not always about the terrorists either. One day you may become aware of the bigger picture.

Why?

It is a very very complex matter, full of rules and also quite a few grey areas.

NR simulations, whilst normally quite accurate, are generally operated differently to the area they portray. For example, an area under "your" control may, in real life, be worked by several people using very different equipment. I believe if the PC Rail simulation was first used as a training aid, it may have been a bit too close to reality to be released.

There are many such simulations which have slightly different layouts to the real ones. NR in general, do not seem to take the same hard and fast attitude as LU. The authors of such simulations would be the best ones to ask whether they sought permission from NR to release the simulations to the public.

Whatever the difference between the two, just because they are both railway companies, does not mean they will issue identical rules on matters such as this.

For some areas it's a shame, but in others it can prevent some people obtaining "too much information."

;D Coherant and LU in the same sentence?! ;D Never thought I'd see the day!

There may be one somewhere, but I have yet to stumble upon it. I think they treat the issue as one of those "We'll deal with it as it arises" matters, and it may very well depend on who is in the office on the day you ask for permission.

If there is a policy, they have never made it very public, apart from the usual laws surrounding security and copyright (and a simulation could effectively fall into both catergories.) I would imagine our Press Office may know, or be able to find out.

As the saying goes, don't hold your breath. Most of them don't even know what a railway is.

That's the thing that is good in communism. Everything belongs to people.

Most certainly very tricky. Would the use of diagrams etc as a *reference* point be included in that? It's something I've been wary of throughout the development of the Picc into BVE, I have a copy of an old WTT but have created a fictional diagram to avoid any possible skirmishes, and not included the names of the people who kindly supplied me with diagrams etc. for obvious reasons.

Interestingly it's possible to buy old WTTs etc at Acton, I gather stuff that LU were chucking out but instead gave to the museum to sell on...

Note: I am not a lawyer (but I do know some who I could ask for further clarification)

Copyright covers the manner in which an idea is expressed, such as a track diagram. It does not cover the idea itself, such as the fact that Earl's Court is a certain distance from Baron's Court, and the tunnel covers a particular route between the two.

Whether there are separate laws which do cover this is another matter.

Quoting one of my lecturers, "The law is not a programming language." I believe the exact meaning of "Derivative Work" is not defined in the relevant acts, and it is hence for the judiciary to decide what the meaning should be in each case.

Such sweeping statements are therefore dangerous.

It is plain English .

But to break it down... (and remember IANAL)

compsci's (I would presume that's short for computer science BTW?) quote sums it all up really - "the law is not a programming language" but is flexible (don't think it has syntax errors, either ). So they don't define exactly what to do, rather leave it for the judiciary to decide on a case-by-case basis.

Hope that's a *bit* simpler...

"they're so fussed about signal IDs/Trackj Diagrams but they havn't shut this place down!"

TBH I don't know if they could have this shut down - nobody posts stuff that's really confidential (well OK people post the occasional track diagram from the 40's, or the times of a particular train but not post whole timetables or line diagrams), and even if they did have concerns I'd imagine they'd just ask nicely for things to be toned down. (Virtually) nothing said here isn't in the public domain anyway.

Exactly.