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Post by phillw48 on Jan 26, 2013 23:27:18 GMT
I found this >> www.railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoom.php?img=0385020191000Now I know what it is and it was based on an old passenger car frame. What I would like to know is a) What frame was it based on? b) What are the dimensions? I hope to scratch build a model of this vehicle. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Jan 27, 2013 17:21:31 GMT
It somewhat looks like this, and the photo was taken somewhere in the 1980s according to the date on your link, so I'll assume it was built to test the clearances of the District for when the D78's were ordered to make sure that they fitted everywhere. (except of course, HSK-Edgware Road) |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 27, 2013 17:40:02 GMT
There was a similar one built to test clearances for the A60 stock, that is what I thought it was. In fact it could be the same one modified for the D stock.
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Post by metman on Jan 27, 2013 18:08:38 GMT
It was the surface stock gauging car. It was built from a fire damaged Met railway saloon stock car dating from 1905-07 in 1924?
It was scrapped when it was realised that the tube stock one (built from a 1931 trailer) could be adapted to suite both roles.
Its a shame it wasn't kept as it could have been rebuilt to sit along side the LTM 1904 car.
It was approx 51-52 ft long being an old saloon stock. The same length as a Dreadnought.
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Post by DWS on Jan 27, 2013 19:36:12 GMT
It was the surface stock gauging car. It was built from a fire damaged Met railway saloon stock car dating from 1905-07 in 1924? It was scrapped when it was realised that the tube stock one (built from a 1931 trailer) could be adapted to suite both roles. Its a shame it wasn't kept as it could have been rebuilt to sit along side the LTM 1904 car. It was approx 51-52 ft long being an old saloon stock. The same length as a Dreadnought. If this was the Gauging Car (surface) number G.662 my Ian Allan stock book of LT Locomotives and Rolling Stock, has a build date of 1934. |
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Post by metman on Jan 27, 2013 22:47:05 GMT
That date is probably when the chasis was adapted.
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Post by DWS on Jan 28, 2013 8:24:48 GMT
That date is probably when the chasis was adapted. Yes I agree with that. Do you know when the Car No. G.662 was scrapped ? I know that Stores Car No. SC.639 was cut up at Neasden Depot in June 1967. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 28, 2013 10:20:36 GMT
Probably scrapped in the early 80's. The photo is dated as 80's and the writing on the side is painted over. The stock alongside can also give a clue. The Q38 to the right is in service stock maroon that was replaced with yellow IIRC about 1983-5.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 12:48:55 GMT
G662 was originally 1st class Saloon Stock trailer No.66 of 1906 vintage. It was converted to Gauging car G1 in 1934 after fire damage in 1931 and renumbered G662 by London Transport. It was scrapped 10/9/80 at Neasden by Smeeth Metals.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jan 28, 2013 18:31:07 GMT
@reganorak - are you sure that 66 was an ex-1st class trailer? In the lists in Hardy's book, the 1st class trailer 66 is shown as becoming 9530 and being scrapped in 1940; he claims that Control Trailer 66 became G662 and his list of control trailers as renumbered by LT doesn't include a 66. This would also square with the list of LT service stock in Graeme Bruce's book. (Given the tiresome Met habit of starting a new series at 1 with every different type of coaching stock, there's ample scope for confusion...)
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PS Not that I believe everything I read in books, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 18:40:48 GMT
Thanks. Off to check. Back in a moment ......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 18:53:38 GMT
@ GH Can you PM me please.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 28, 2013 20:41:04 GMT
@reganorak - are you sure that 66 was an ex-1st class trailer? In the lists in Hardy's book, .....Control Trailer 66 became G662 and his list of control trailers as renumbered by LT doesn't include a 66. Very confusing, but Brian Hardy's book says that the vehicle in question was a 1st Class control trailer, so you're both right. As built, all the control trailers were 1st Class, and the trailers were 3rd class. Later, some of each were converted to trailer composites, and were given a new number series, again starting at "1", and later converted to driving trailers. (Given the way the GN&C cars were numbered when absorbed into Met stock, the series a car was numbered in seems to have depended on the class of passenger acomodation, rather than the technical aspects). Given the tiresome Met habit of starting a new series at 1 with every different type of coaching stock, there's ample scope for confusion..) It does mean that, until the GN&C and H&C stock was renumbered in the mid 1920s, there could be as many as nine items of Metropolitan rolling stock with the same number - e.g loco No 7 driving motor No 7 (LT No No 2509 trailer 3rd No 7 (LT 9489) 1st class control trailer No 7 (LT 6506) driving trailer trailer comp No 7 (LT 6584) GN&C car No 7 (later Met 166; LT 2901) H&C motor car No 7 (later Met 132; LT2214) H&C 3rd class driving trailer no 7 (later Met 126: LT 6231) H&C trailer composite No 7 (later Met No 17: LT 9227) (I use No 7 as an example because that was the lowest numbered GN&C car) |
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