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Post by Deep Level on Jan 15, 2013 20:19:46 GMT
My question is regarding the Oyster Rail Map: www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/oyster-rail-services-map.pdfI can't understand what the Southeastern line joining the FCC Thameslink line just south of City Thameslink is supposed to symbolise, is it supposed to mean that south of City Thameslink some Southeastern trains magically turn into FCC trains? Or perhaps that some Southeastern train terminate just south of City Thameslink across the FCC tracks where passsengers must disembark or perhaps that some Southeastern trains use the FCC Thameslink line in disguise from just south of City Thameslink north? Is anyone able to enlighten me here?  |
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Post by Fahad on Jan 15, 2013 20:27:00 GMT
My question is regarding the Oyster Rail Map: www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/oyster-rail-services-map.pdfI can't understand what the Southeastern line joining the FCC Thameslink line just south of City Thameslink is supposed to symbolise, is it supposed to mean that south of City Thameslink some Southeastern trains magically turn into FCC trains? Or perhaps that some Southeastern train terminate just south of City Thameslink across the FCC tracks where passsengers must disembark or perhaps that some Southeastern trains use the FCC Thameslink line in disguise from just south of City Thameslink north? Is anyone able to enlighten me here? I know your first guess was a joke but it was actually spot on ;D That symbolises the joint service between Bedford and Sevenoaks, operated by First Capital Connect north of CTK and Southeastern south thereof. Drivers are supplied by both TOCs, and sign the whole route Quoth Wikipedia, "Thus with the cascaded stock it is currently possible to find a Southern liveried 319 operating an FCC service whilst being driven by a Southeastern driver." |
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Post by melikepie on Jan 15, 2013 20:27:56 GMT
I think they share drivers with one on one route and then the other takes over at Blackfriars or Kentish Town. It is also possibly meant to be a precursor to the Thameslink Programme
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 15, 2013 20:58:02 GMT
My question is regarding the Oyster Rail Map: www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/oyster-rail-services-map.pdfI can't understand what the Southeastern line joining the FCC Thameslink line just south of City Thameslink is supposed to symbolise, is it supposed to mean that south of City Thameslink some Southeastern trains magically turn into FCC trains? Or perhaps that some Southeastern train terminate just south of City Thameslink across the FCC tracks where passsengers must disembark or perhaps that some Southeastern trains use the FCC Thameslink line in disguise from just south of City Thameslink north? Is anyone able to enlighten me here? I know your first guess was a joke but it was actually spot on ;D That symbolises the joint service between Bedford and Sevenoaks, operated by First Capital Connect north of CTK and Southeastern south thereof. Drivers are supplied by both TOCs, and sign the whole route Quoth Wikipedia, "Thus with the cascaded stock it is currently possible to find a Southern liveried 319 operating an FCC service whilst being driven by a Southeastern driver." So let me get this straight: Service: FCC Driver: Southeastern Train: Southern Now that's quite a mix ;D, that would actually explain why there was a Southern train coming from Blackfriars that same day, I just assumed it used one of the bay platforms at Blackfriars. What I don't understand though is why they don't advertise the service as the train used so if they're using a Southern train show it as a Southern service on the maps, it just seems very complicated to show it like this. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 15, 2013 21:10:09 GMT
Sounds a similar sort of thing to when the West Coast Desiros were introduced before the London Midland franchise started; Central Trains north of Birmingham, Silverlink south. Same train, same driver, same guard, different TOC.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 15, 2013 23:31:30 GMT
Southern has no presence at Blackfriars, but some of FCC's trains have been transferred from Southern recently and are still in the colours of their former operator. The SE services through City TL are relics of the former services which terminated in the bay platforms 1-3 (they were where the new through platforms are). When these were removed the trains could no longer terminate there. At the same time, FCC's services over the Widened Lines to and from Moorgate ceased in connection with expansion at Farringdon. the solution was to link the two together. To avoid altering the franchises mid-term a joint service is operated. This has to use FCC stock as SE has no suitable dual-voltage trains. (the service will become part of the "Greater Thameslink" franchise at the next re-letting, whenever that is.)
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