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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 9:23:26 GMT
I've never been a big fan of the LUL livery. Though it was needed given the state of the unpainted trains back in the 80's.
I realise we've not long had a uniform fleet livery but I would be much happier to see a return to something a bit more traditional. Perhaps crimson with cream doors. After all, TfL have been very strict on maintaining red buses in London, why not the trains?
Do we think that LUL will ever change the current rather uninspiring colours? What would you like to see?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 13:23:56 GMT
You can't beat the red with gold lettering IMHO although no brown roofs thanks.
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 13, 2013 13:57:29 GMT
Research in the 1980s shows that a lot of people associate blue with the Underground - bar on roundel and fascias at stations.
This is why red & blue was chosen. It was hoped not to repaint the whole of the train. However, it was found that the areas where the transfers had been applied were higher than the rest of the weather worn panels and were a different colour.
At the same time 2 pack paint technology arrived and it was decided to coat the whole train.
Red is also a bad colour to maintain as it fades in sunlight.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 13, 2013 14:28:17 GMT
Red is also a bad colour to maintain as it fades in sunlight. Nowhere near as bad as blue. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 13, 2013 17:56:29 GMT
The heritage 38ts is painted in Bus Red with Red Oxide roofs, is this actually authentic atall? Or were Red Oxide roofs only in vogue with Train Red bodies? Crusty54, its very interesting you say that. Is this to say that the corporate scheme might have been red, blue, and unpainted aluminium? Wouldn't be too tricky for someone with knowlege of photoshop to do a mock up of this, say, on a Bakerloo 72... The 59 'mars bar' livery I think was a nice one, and has the necessary colour difference between the doors and body sides. It would be interesting to see it worn by one of the modern stocks. LUL150 seems a decent reason to be a bit adventurous with this sort of thing  |
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Post by slugabed on Jan 13, 2013 18:10:00 GMT
The heritage 38ts is painted in Bus Red with Red Oxide roofs, is this actually authentic atall? Or were Red Oxide roofs only in vogue with Train Red bodies? I'm old enough to well remember 38ts on the Bakerloo and the Northern and my recollection is that the rooves were uniformly a dark charcoal grey colour...borne out by looking at photos taken at the time. The Bakerloo 38ts were EHO and so Bus Red,the Northern 38ts would have been Train Red. The Red Oxide colour has always looked totally "wrong" to my eyes....perhaps they were delivered in this livery? Either way by the 70s it was not the case. |
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 13, 2013 18:31:30 GMT
Up until WW2 the normal roof colour of London Transport buses, trolleybuses, trams and some Underground stock was silver. This was dropped as an air raid precaution and replaced by red oxide or grey or in fact any suitable dark colour that was to hand.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 14, 2013 11:36:56 GMT
Troleybus roofs were always painted a reddish brown, to disguise the staining caused by the abrasion of the trolleyheads on the overhead wires.
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 14, 2013 15:07:57 GMT
Troleybus roofs were always painted a reddish brown, to disguise the staining caused by the abrasion of the trolleyheads on the overhead wires. Only the rear dome, up until the war the rest of the roof was silver. The trolley heads had carbon insets and this was what stained the back end of the roofs. The wires were lubricated with grease up until about 1941 when the special lubricating vehicle was destroyed in the Blitz, it was then found that wire lubrication was unnecessary with the carbon inserts. Trolley wheels, which required lubricated wires had been dispensed with before the war. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 17:49:29 GMT
The Mars bar liveried 59 stock looked brilliant, the LUL corporate one just looked wrong in so many ways. But thats probably because the dimensions and curvature of the train did not suit it at all, it looked like mutton dressed as lamb.
But having said that, I think the current livery is simple and very affective. Red doors for easy visibilty (which came before DDA rules?) and blue skirting to disguise weathering. It's a good livery, and far better than the over complicated array of different designs seen on the national rail system.
Especially when you look at some of the awful prototypes from the 1980s, the current livery has aged well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 18:17:39 GMT
The current livery is pretty ageless to be honest and seeing pictures of the 59ts in the current livery looked really good!
It doesn't look quite right with the gaps before the doors like on D stock, 09ts and S stock though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 19:17:39 GMT
I'm with you on the gaps in the doors, I really do not understand the logic behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 20:24:48 GMT
I have also not been a big fan of the hard, angular LUL livery.
With regards the present livery, I do think the old surface stock trains would look better if they had full red fronts, especially the D78 stock.
Replacing the white with light grey/silver would be a big improvement.
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