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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 17:50:59 GMT
I've just noticed that recently there are no more Ruislip terminating trains in the timetable, but instead these trains seem to now continue to Uxbridge. Anyone know why this change was made and what they did to find the extra trains needed? Are they just stepping back/turning around more quickly?
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Post by metman on Jan 7, 2013 19:14:23 GMT
I didn't know that. I would imagine that it is a quicker turn around. Just looked at the previous WWT and there was about a 7-8 min turn round in the siding with a slight pause at Ruisilp going back into town. Perhaps there are more Rayners terminators to compensate?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 19:46:42 GMT
The new timetable from December 2012 gives two Uxbridge and one Rayners Lane per 15-minute cycle instead of Rayners Lane/Ruislip/ Uxbridge every 15 minutes.
The new pattern obviates the need for detraining staff at Ruislip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:45:16 GMT
If this is true then it's good news as the Ruislip terminators have always been an irritation for Ickenham, Hillingdon and Uxbridge passengers, and particularly for morning commuters who are pushed for time. I had always assumed that trains only reversed at Ruislip when there was platform congestion at Uxbridge and I can only presume their elimination is a result of changes to both the Met and Picc timetables.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:55:24 GMT
If this is true then it's good news as the Ruislip terminators have always been an irritation for Ickenham, Hillingdon and Uxbridge passengers, and particularly for morning commuters who are pushed for time. I had always assumed that trains only reversed at Ruislip when there was platform congestion at Uxbridge and I can only presume their elimination is a result of changes to both the Met and Picc timetables. It is indeed true! Before "Moorgate" the Picc service used to be alternate Rayners Lane/Uxbridge (4 mins and 8 mins respectively). Then there was a 3 trains per 16 mins Met service (one all stations Baker Street, one all stations Aldgate and one fast Aldgate). When "terminal protection" was introduced (which reduced capacity at Uxbridge - and other terminal stations for that matter), initially (and generally! - there were exceptions) the Baker Street all-stations trains started from Uxbridge sidings and ran direct "over the top" to Hillingdon. These were reinstated (into Uxbridge station) around the time Ruislip reversers were introduced. |
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 7, 2013 20:57:13 GMT
If this is true then it's good news as the Ruislip terminators have always been an irritation for Ickenham, Hillingdon and Uxbridge passengers, and particularly for morning commuters who are pushed for time. I had always assumed that trains only reversed at Ruislip when there was platform congestion at Uxbridge and I can only presume their elimination is a result of changes to both the Met and Picc timetables. Yes, surely Ruislip reversers are analogous to Victoria reversers: by the time you've kicked out, gone into a siding, changed ends and waited for your path it would have been as quick to go to the terminal station. Any ideas why this eminently good idea has come into being only relatively recently? Presumably, as ohmslaw says, something to do with elimination of congestion at Uxbridge. Edit: question answered above at the same time as I asked this. Thanks Reg. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 20:57:22 GMT
If this is true then it's good news as the Ruislip terminators have always been an irritation for Ickenham, Hillingdon and Uxbridge passengers ...... You and me both, ohmslaw!  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 7, 2013 21:48:23 GMT
the Baker Street all-stations trains started from Uxbridge sidings and ran direct "over the top" to Hillingdon. If they started from the sidings, where did the corresponding opposite direction working run to? Tip out at Hillingdon and direct to the sidings? |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 7, 2013 22:01:18 GMT
You can bet your life that there will still be quite a few late running Uxbridge services that are reversed at Ruislip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 0:02:37 GMT
If they started from the sidings, where did the corresponding opposite direction working run to? Tip out at Hillingdon and direct to the sidings? This is an interesting question. I can tell you that as long as I remember occasional trains have terminated at Hillingdon prior to stabling at Uxbridge. Equally, a couple of years ago I recall several occasions at the end of the morning rush hour when trains ran Out of Service from London direct to the sidings - very frustrating if, like me, you only want to travel to Hillingdon and have to watch an empty train pass through. And Reganorak, thanks for the "terminal protection" explanation, it all makes sense now. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 8, 2013 10:55:12 GMT
Hiow much did terminal protection reduce Uxbridges capacity by, Reg? What detraining staff?! :X :/ :  Most I can ever recall being on duty is a CSA and the SS at peak times, the SS remaining firmly hidden inside the staff rooms. If the idea is to cut the CSA role there, then how will this square with TfLs mission to increase staff presence to the public? Having spent many evenings in the past at Ruislip, I'll say that the order and frequency of Rayners/Ruislip/Uxbridge terminators on the Pic rarely bore much resemblance to what was in the WTT in the busy periods. Will the SSR resignalling remove some of the restrictions at Uxbridge that Moorgate control imposed? Surely a train in ATO can be allowed to approach a dead end terminal at line speed, given that an overrun under ATO with additional human supervision is unlikely to occur? Incidentally, the resignalling was at one point going to remove the slip to the sidings direct from Westbound. Has this now been ammended? |
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Post by ruislip on Jan 8, 2013 12:28:48 GMT
It is indeed true! Before "Moorgate" the Picc service used to be alternate Rayners Lane/Uxbridge (4 mins and 8 mins respectively). Then there was a 3 trains per 16 mins Met service (one all stations Baker Street, one all stations Aldgate and one fast Aldgate). I remember those well. Every Monday-Friday my mother and I would get on Met #45 (fast to Aldgate) or Picc 252 (Cockfosters, many times this train would be a 1938 stock) at Hillingdon for the daily commute to my school at Ruislip Manor. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 9, 2013 0:15:09 GMT
What school did you go to in the Manor?
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Post by Ben on Jan 9, 2013 2:55:38 GMT
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Post by ruislip on Jan 9, 2013 5:45:35 GMT
What school did you go to in the Manor? Atholl, on Hawtrey Drive. I don't think it has been extant for many years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 18:51:33 GMT
Just thought that they might be making better use of the 3 platforms to do this too... I can't quite remember but I though they only used 2 at a time previously. Also ruislip you might need to change your signature now there are no more terminators there. |
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Post by cso on Jan 10, 2013 18:59:31 GMT
All 3 platforms at Uxbridge are often full... locally referred to as the 'Uxbridge Blackhole' as there always seems to be trains going in the opposite direction but never any going in the one we're travelling to.
It appears, at times, as if the pattern is to fill all 3 platforms, empty all 3 platforms and repeat - but I'm sure this is not the real case!
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Post by ruislip on Jan 12, 2013 6:28:08 GMT
Also ruislip you might need to change your signature now there are no more terminators there. Consider it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Getting back to the OP, there could always be a new westbound platform built at Ruislip, given all the room that is south of it. The original WB platform could be used as a place to terminate trains, given the potential of Uxbridge's three platforms being filled to capacity at certain times of day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 23:27:42 GMT
Before the rebuild, I assume! The shelters look rather sweet... |
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Post by Ben on Jan 20, 2013 10:54:04 GMT
Yes indeed! Though before it was pulled down it was almost decrepit, and the platforms bounced when you walked along them, the shelters were actual shelter. The replacement doesn't actually serve its purpose, as it stops neither rain nor wind, and has far fewer seats.
Thinking about it now, are there any Met 'halt' type buildings left? Hillingdon went in 1992, West Harrow in 1990(?), Ruislip Manor in 2005...
Lot of space at Ruislip Station...
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Most I can ever recall being on duty is a CSA and the SS at peak times, the SS remaining firmly hidden inside the staff rooms. If the idea is to cut the CSA role there, then how will this square with TfLs mission to increase staff presence to the public?
