1995's get a refurb

Praise the lord! This is what I've been saying for years but this is the first time I've seen anyone come up with a mock-up. Well done, couldn't agree more (though I can hear the doubters discuss cost of having several different moquette fabrics on the go).

That looks much better. I guess the cost would rule out various different runs of the moquette to match line colours on tube stock. Pity though, as it would give an instant visual clue, particularly, when you look at the photo's of the refurbed Northern Line stock it nods at the 95 stock being transferred to the Picc in the not to distant future

EDIT: It seems as if I share the opinions of my fellow mods. Apologies for what seems a repeat of londonstuff's post, but I made my comments before I had seen his post.
Oh well, great minds and all that!

To quote Paul Moss (Underground Movement published Year 2000) when discussing the 3 refurbished 1972 Mk1 vehicles:

"The grabpoles were finished in charcoal grey since it was considered that black handrails and grabpoles would appear too hostile. In the event, neither colour would be acceptable to LT's Unit for Disabled Passengers."

Interestingly the accompanying picture depicts the grabpoles as more of a blue, but there we go!

I say bring back bobble straphangers! These always look good in black and would best suit the Northern line!

Like I say, yes there has - it is featured in his book but depicts the handrails/grabpoles as more of a blue. The overall interior design is comparable to that of the 1972MKII and 1967 stock refurbishments, with the sets of transverse seats retained. The moquette used is of an art deco design.

Looks like the internals resemble the refurbed '92s now...

Those seals coming off around the perch seats is common to both 95ts and 96ts looks very scruffy!
Otherwise a very neat and smart job. Shame about the crudely plated over door buttons, they could have spent a little more time and money by ripping out the buttons then getting a plate just the right size to fit flush with the door then welded it in, so it would look like the buttons were never there!



I've noticed the poles look slightly different too, the brown paint on the ex Northern line ones look quite crudely brushed on.

Sorry, but what does PDC stand for?

Ah, ok. I think that only the S stock really needs the automatic door closing, for which the PDCs are needed. The 1995 operate a fairly intensive turn around, so there isn't a need for the doors to close after a while in the platform. Not to mention the fact that if the punters were left to open the doors (ie the T/Op just releases them) there would be a number of complaints about trains leaving without opening the doors, as they have grown accustomed to the doors opening for them, so there isn't a need for any PDCs. However, I would agree that the covering could have been done a little better, maybe by just making a net that fit's in the hole left behind and bolting that in, so that it is more flush

Yes, but when ATO is fully introduced and the service becomes more intense, turn around times will be less, even in the off peak, no more than 5 minutes I'd imagine, of which someone may be onboard for up to 4 minutes

Going back to the choice of blue over yellow, I've recently been in touch with TfL regarding this. Their argument is:

"yellow used to be considered appropriate for grab poles because it is highly visible, but more recent research shows that it achieves its visual intensity by aggravating the eye. Blue is considered more comfortable. I understand why you make the association with the Piccadilly line but previously the yellow grab poles might have been reminiscent of the Circle line. Grab pole colour has never been consistently 'line appropriate'."

I think TfL recognise that line identity used to play a key role in the décor (where possible - see my response to quote below) but they seem to be moving away towards a more uniform, 'corporate' appearance across all lines to treat 'London Underground' as one, contrasted by other services such as the DLR or LO. Line identity is still retained through the line car diagrams but to my mind this isn't enough.



Yes that's correct - black (Northern line) or silver-grey (Jubilee line) were never considered appropriate.

It's basically the same interior as the Victoria line, same floor pattern and even same handrail colour - what's up with that? Is blue the new corporate deep tube colour like yellow is for SSL? Same displays as before but I'm the example I was on (51506) they were switched off.
This refurb makes the 95TS look really tidy, I'm quite impressed by it, much better than what they did (or didn't as the case may be!) To the 92.

I guess you mean "only" ??

As of today, four have been completed. There are also three in work at the moment. The next (Train 5) is due out next week and is the ex-wrapped (Boris) train.

Were the beeps 2 tone or a single dull sounding beep? I'm assuming TMS warnings here instead of TBTC target speed change tones for operation in protected manual