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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 19:59:04 GMT
i was given a copy of the old style underground map currently available in branches of waterstones as giftwrap at 2.95 a sheet as a christmas present
its far too nice to use as gift wrap... but i was wondering, does anybody else have the map in question and if so, can you help put a year to the map layout??
no victoria line means its no later than 1968, and arsenal is on it (renamed from gillespie road) so its no earlier than 1932... any help to further nail the year down would be very useful...
i have posted this in the "historical/diagrams" section as it seems to fit better here than anywhere else... if it needs moving, feel free to do so
edited for a spelling error
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Post by slugabed on Dec 15, 2012 20:24:56 GMT
District to Hounslow (before 1964)? Met to Aylesbury (before 1961)? District to South Acton (before 1959)? Northern Heights? It'd be nice to see the map in question,and we could narrow it down to a year or two...
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Post by Ben on Dec 15, 2012 20:55:58 GMT
Luckily the tube map underwent some noticeable stylistic changes back then! Maxwell Roberts has a sight about tube map collection with examples that should help you. But like slugabed I'd love to see a copy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:18:04 GMT
District to Hounslow (before 1964)? Met to Aylesbury (before 1961)? District to South Acton (before 1959)? Northern Heights? It'd be nice to see the map in question,and we could narrow it down to a year or two... none of the mentioned routes are on it.... as for scanning it in... its 50cm by 70cm (just measured it with a tape measure)... i will try and find it online, but digging it out of the waterstones website is proving impossible
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Post by slugabed on Dec 15, 2012 21:20:06 GMT
I must confess to owning a large collection of A-Zs and other atlases (atli?) of London....these were usually undated,and often didn't even have edition numbers to aid dating....the Diagram of Lines is often the easiest way to date one printed earlier than the nineties. As Ben says,there were quite radical changes,and most years a detail change,so a fairly accurate date is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:21:36 GMT
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Post by slugabed on Dec 15, 2012 21:22:13 GMT
Does the Northern City Branch stop at Finsbury Pk or Drayton Pk (DP to FP closed 1964) Is Barbican called Aldersgate (renamed 1968...)
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Post by slugabed on Dec 15, 2012 21:24:07 GMT
Just seen your link. 1961-4 Can anyone narrow it down some more?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:24:40 GMT
that stops at finsbury park
yes it is...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:26:15 GMT
thats pretty bloody accurate already!! if you can nail it closer, that would be fantastic...
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Post by SE13 on Dec 15, 2012 21:42:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:59:19 GMT
ok the key below has been messed with a bit... but the map is the 1963 version as shown on that link
thankyou all so much... i will be able to tell my freind when she returns from her christmas holiday to the USA
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Post by Ben on Dec 15, 2012 22:13:03 GMT
The version used seems to be the poster version, not the pocket version. As such it will be a different drawing; not necessarily 1963.
Having said that, going by one detail I can see which is missing from the corresponding 1963 pocket map but present in the 1962 pocket map (South Ruislip BR interchange), I'd speculate that this was the Quad-Royal design from 1962. There are still differences, such as the side of the line that the station name 'Plaistow' appears for example.
It would also appear that Max Roberts catagocia collection of maps to look out for is now offline. A pity, it was authoritive on very subtle differences.
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Post by SE13 on Dec 15, 2012 22:13:48 GMT
As far as I am aware, that site I linked uses scans of the actual maps. Your wrapping paper may have been jiggled a bit to fit, or could be a sub-version of the 1963 map. Good to have another happy punter
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 16, 2012 0:58:21 GMT
District to Hounslow (before 1964)? Met to Aylesbury (before 1961)? District to South Acton (before 1959)? Northern Heights? ... none of the mentioned routes are on it.... District to Hounslow is present on the one linked to. It appears to be the short-lived Harrison version, the first not designed by Beck, and over which he was very angry. The square symbols for BR interchanges were, I think, unique to that design. It was the first tube map I remember, as it was the one in the back of my mother's old Lett's diary, and was what first kindled my interest in the Underground. The diary version, as I recall, was truncated at the eastern and western ends to fit the square (rather than landscape) format of a double page spread, with arrows pointing towards Hounslow, Upminster, Chesham/Amersham/Watford, and Uxbridge, and Epping/Ongar/Hainault. I remember being quite surprised, on first seeing the full map a few years later, to see the shape of the Hainault loop.
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Post by ruislip on Dec 16, 2012 15:02:53 GMT
I noticed the ways you can travel to the Airports, as well as the in-town LT & BR interchange facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 22:46:03 GMT
It appears to be the short-lived Harrison version, the first not designed by Beck, and over which he was very angry. The square symbols for BR interchanges were, I think, unique to that design. It was the first tube map I remember, as it was the one in the back of my mother's old Lett's diary, and was what first kindled my interest in the Underground. The diary version, as I recall, was truncated at the eastern and western ends to fit the square (rather than landscape) format of a double page spread, with arrows pointing towards Hounslow, Upminster, Chesham/Amersham/Watford, and Uxbridge, and Epping/Ongar/Hainault. I remember being quite surprised, on first seeing the full map a few years later, to see the shape of the Hainault loop. A pedant writes: it's the Harold F. Hutchison map, not Harrison. As stated, it was used from 1961-64. Hideous, isn't it?
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Post by class411 on Dec 26, 2012 13:49:03 GMT
This is the 1962 quad royal poster, dated November 1962.
It's notable that this version was not produced by Harry Beck and lacks the smoothness and fluidity of his designs. (IMO!)
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