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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 9:40:48 GMT
Were there any derailments where speed was the primary factor on the Met Line? Especially on that section at Neasden?
My own understanding of speed limits on railways are:
1) To provide the passengers with a smooth ride
2) More critically to ensure that the train will face no risk of derailment or more secondary cause excessive wear to the track or wheels.
I would like to have thought that point 1 was only ever in danger of being compromised during some of those late night runs on a down Amersham fast!
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Post by orienteer on Aug 6, 2013 12:48:39 GMT
The worst place was the north end of Neasden station where there used to be a set of points from the northbound Met across into the depot, but which was eventually removed. Probably a major cause of the A stock bogies cracking up.
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Post by metman on Aug 6, 2013 19:02:55 GMT
Maybe a cause, but it may have been old age too! The C, D and 73 stock have also had problems, they usually get dealt with. The A stock bogies started to crack from 1963!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 13:57:51 GMT
Was at Harrow on the Hill an hour ago. Amersham and Chesham trains were running fast from platform 1. No reason given.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:03:03 GMT
Was at Harrow on the Hill an hour ago. Amersham and Chesham trains were running fast from platform 1. No reason given. a speed restriction is in place due to the heat because of unstressed rails |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 14:09:37 GMT
Was at Harrow on the Hill an hour ago. Amersham and Chesham trains were running fast from platform 1. No reason given. a speed restriction is in place due to the heat because of unstressed rails That old chestnut again. Used to get this regularly in the evening when I was commuting to/from Amersham except then the fast trains ran slow not fast to Harrow! |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 5, 2013 16:50:08 GMT
so if they were running fast, does that mean north harrow to northwood get the 4tph watford only?!
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Post by geriatrix on Sept 5, 2013 17:34:01 GMT
Don't tell him, Pike. The Pinner MP bloke, I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 18:30:12 GMT
so if they were running fast, does that mean north harrow to northwood get the 4tph watford only?! Yes that was the case. |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 7, 2013 22:46:13 GMT
Again, correct me if im wrong but i keep seeing fast trains going past my house, are there any reasons for this considering its Saturday?
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Post by l1group on Sept 7, 2013 23:29:59 GMT
Again, correct me if im wrong but i keep seeing fast trains going past my house, are there any reasons for this considering its Saturday? afaik, no reason I can find. The Chesham/Amershams were running fast between Moor Park and HOTH for some odd reason, which I don't know. Thus they were advertised as "fasts" yet they stopped at Preston Rd and Northwick Park. |
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Post by A60stock on Sept 8, 2013 0:36:50 GMT
Did this apply both northbound and southbound?
Funny how the new timetable isn't falling into place!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:08:38 GMT
Trains where running 'Semi-fast' yesterday due to a points failure at Watford South Jn, the points where clipped and scotched to allow trains to continue running on the locals to Watford and the fasts to Amersham/Chesham, I think the impending arrival of some steam trains had a large part to play in that descision. During the initial stage of service recovery a number of trains did run fast from Finchley Road to Harrow, I did have a Uxbridge which did that just before 09.00.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 0:48:40 GMT
This new timetable is a farce. Several times now I've been stuck at Harrow on the Hill whilst trains dutifully await their turn to plod southbound down the slow line picking up less than a handful of passengers at Northwick Park and Preston Road.
Truly shambolic evening on the Northbound Met Line after the Roger Waters concert at Wembley Stadium tonight too. Waited over 15 mins, then first train listed as Uxbridge, the Amersham (slow naturally), then Uxbridge, then Amersham. This repeated itself several times before the train arrived with 'Amersham' listed on the front, but 'Uxbridge' down the side! Eventually this was confirmed as an Uxbridge. Yet again, barely anyone got off or on at the two intermediate stops before Harrow.
Why can't they get things like basic announcements right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 11:08:43 GMT
Just travelling home from London to Chesham at midday so on an all stations service. Passing through Preston Road, looked at all the recently upgraded fast line infrastructure lying idle. Millions of pounds of infrastructure doing nothing for the majority of each week.
Must be one of the most outrageous examples of wasted resources on the entire network.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 21:05:46 GMT
It is a recognised psychological trait for people to get so far up the structural greasy pole, that they no longer feel the need to listen, except to their hand picked minions and those at equal height (or above) on another, nearby pole. This happens in banks and politics particularly, and all areas where there are unnecessary levels of "managers" that have built up over the years. Those at the top of the pole have information "filtered out" on its way up by those on the lower strata. rubbish only cascades downwards, so those underneath don't deliver bad news, in order to keep out of the way of any consequential falling rubbish, and the messenger being shot for delivering the message. There is a saying in Latin that translates roughly as, "It is better to be on the balcony with Nero whilst he pi$$es on the crowd, than to be in the crowd" I'm afraid TfL, no longer feel it necessary to give their public what they ask for, just as senior L.T. management did(n't) years ago. Nobody ever got fired for not spending company money, "So why spend money on designing new timetables and train diagrams etc, and upsetting the Pinner MP?" will be the order of the day. Nobody wants to be put back into the crowd after being on the balcony. The Met has a particular problem in that Pinner man (and probably his MP) lives in the GLA area, whilst Amersham and Chesham men do not, and their towns are only served by the Met because of historical circumstances. The filtering process is everywhere. Most MPs have secretaries to filter out their own constituents. Try seeing the actual manager of your local supermarket even. The Pinner MP must be awesome. The same could possibly be said about TfL going cashless on the buses |
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Post by mcmaddog on Dec 1, 2013 10:14:15 GMT
But of a rant but I've just spent the best part of half an hour at Croxley waiting. The 9.38 was cancelled. So much for the controllers looking to reduce the gap. It's seemingly easier not to bother. If I'd known I'd have made other plans but they're advertising Good Service north of Baker Street.
thanks for missing my appointment
this 15 minute interval timetable is a nightmare when trains get cancelled
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 1, 2013 12:39:19 GMT
But of a rant but I've just spent the best part of half an hour at Croxley waiting. The 9.38 was cancelled. So much for the controllers looking to reduce the gap. It's seemingly easier not to bother. If I'd known I'd have made other plans but they're advertising Good Service north of Baker Street. thanks for missing my appointment this 15 minute interval timetable is a nightmare when trains get cancelled When I worked at Croxley, on a Sunday we had a 20 or 30 min service, not sure what. Imagine the inconvenience if one of those had been cancelled. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 20:56:54 GMT
But of a rant but I've just spent the best part of half an hour at Croxley waiting. The 9.38 was cancelled. So much for the controllers looking to reduce the gap. It's seemingly easier not to bother. If I'd known I'd have made other plans but they're advertising Good Service north of Baker Street. thanks for missing my appointment this 15 minute interval timetable is a nightmare when trains get cancelled When I worked at Croxley, on a Sunday we had a 20 or 30 min service, not sure what. Imagine the inconvenience if one of those had been cancelled. When the Underground was at its lowest ebb, c.1982, when services were reduced on all lines (except the Victoria), the Sunday tradition of the then recent years where one train per hour was made an all-stations Amersham, giving Watford 3 tph at uneven intervals, was continued. Instead of Watford having a 15/15/30 pattern per hour, it was 20/40 until things started to look up again. |
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Post by Fahad on Dec 1, 2013 23:16:14 GMT
The limit's now gone up to 60mph in the Neasden area, so that should hopefully be another improvement come the next timetable
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Post by cooperman on Dec 2, 2013 6:48:56 GMT
But of a rant but I've just spent the best part of half an hour at Croxley waiting. The 9.38 was cancelled. So much for the controllers looking to reduce the gap. It's seemingly easier not to bother. If I'd known I'd have made other plans but they're advertising Good Service north of Baker Street. thanks for missing my appointment this 15 minute interval timetable is a nightmare when trains get cancelled I feel your pain, but what you have to realise is that the Published Met T/T and the TFL website are a work of Fiction. There is Zero communication from the Controllers of the Met to any Stations N/B. This was quite evident in last weeks shenanigans. |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 12, 2013 23:15:45 GMT
was taking a look at the southbound timetable at northwood hills today, notice there are no longer any semi fast contra peak trains anymore?! or are they just not being advertised?
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Post by graeme186 on Dec 13, 2013 12:59:56 GMT
was taking a look at the southbound timetable at northwood hills today, notice there are no longer any semi fast contra peak trains anymore?! or are they just not being advertised? There are none in the evening peak but there are quite a few in the morning peak from quite early on, mostly but not in all cases to Watford. Interestingly, many of the am peak Neasden Depot stablers reversing via Harrow now run fast between Wembley Park and Harrow. |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 13, 2013 16:32:36 GMT
since when did this change, i am sure just a month ago there were semi fasts in the peak, what was the reason for changing this?
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Post by orienteer on Dec 13, 2013 17:03:20 GMT
There was a revised timetable from 8th December. The alternate Baker St and Aldgate departures from Uxbridge have "flipped" times.
Do the Baker St trains still alternate between Watford and Uxbridge?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2013 17:19:09 GMT
What a difference a few years might have made. The extra tracks were planned long before and building started just ahead of the decision to close the GC. Also at the time there were freight yards still at some of the Met stations which were closed around the mid 1960's. The freight service was also part of the justification. Over the next twenty years or so the average off peak service on the fast lines was one Marylebone - Aylesbury train and one (or two around lunchtime/late afternoon) Met trains from Amersham to Baker Street.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 14:07:19 GMT
Just about remember those days as a child. One 4 car Met train per hour trundling up and down the fast lines on Sunday with no BR service even running back then. Pretty sure it used to connect with the BR Service at Amersham which would run to Aylesbury.
Even if LuL clearly don't fancy the concept of fast trains anymore, those lines will come in useful at some point in the future. I predict dual voltage 8 car electric trains running under 25kv from Amersham to Milton Keynes in 20 years time.
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Post by geriatrix on Dec 18, 2013 15:56:58 GMT
A sort of Bucks/Herts Circle Line. Out from Amersham MET via Aylesbury onto the East/West line to MK and back down to Watford Junction, onto the MET and back up to Amersham via Ricky.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 16:20:21 GMT
There was a revised timetable from 8th December. The alternate Baker St and Aldgate departures from Uxbridge have "flipped" times. Do the Baker St trains still alternate between Watford and Uxbridge? During the off-peak periods daily, revised timings have resulted in the saving of one train in service (34 instead of 35). Amersham and Chesham (City) trains now run alternately to their northern destinations, while the hitherto separate Uxbridge – Aldgate and Uxbridge/Watford – Baker Street services are now combined, working each of the three services in turn. Off-peak train numbering has therefore been revised: Amersham/Chesham – Aldgate 401-407 and 410-413, instead of 401-406 (Chesham) and 411-416 (Amersham). Uxbridge – Aldgate, Uxbridge/Watford – Baker Street 421-427, 430-437 and 440-447 instead of 421-427 and 430-431 (Uxbridge – Aldgate), and 441-447, 450-456 (Uxbridge/Watford – Baker Street). |
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Post by cooperman on Jan 11, 2014 10:40:23 GMT
Hello All. Its time again to have another look at the Revised Met T/T dated the 8th of December 2013. Well What's new then ?. Amersham and Chesham have lost there Semi Fast services in the Contra-Peak times ,but the journey times have been reduced by 3-4 mins. Having a look on the Journey Planner, confirmed this fantastic bit of news. Right..... OK then... lets give it a whirl. Oh dear.... Oh deary me, yes i know the Met T/T is only meant to be a guide. But when is a Guide not a Guide ? Answer: When its written by some Walter Mitty character and the document becomes pure Fiction and a grossly Optimistic Fantasy . The reason why i was intrigued by this new T/T is because they (TFL) our Advertising that the All station Chesham to Baker Street/ Aldgate trains will get you there "quicker" then a Semi Fast service . Sorry folks but they don't and this is why:- For the last 7 days while my car has been out of action i used 10 Contra-Peak journeys and 4 off-peak journeys to and from Chesham and Canary Wharf. Monday to Friday Southbound To Baker Street. Depart 1758 ( 2 minutes Earlier)Projected arrival time at say... Finchley Rd is 1844. I'm afraid all of my journeys arrived at 1850, so there's something wrong there me thinks. Monday to Friday Northbound to Chesham from Canary Wharf via Baker Street. Depart time from Baker Street 0728 ( Moved forward 6 mins from old T/T). Now here lies the problem , arrival at Chesham is a rather optimistic time of 0824. Well it arrived everyday at 0831. The Chesham train rarely gets to Chalfont and Latimer at its departure time of 0816, but when it did last Friday. The driver informed us that " We our held at a Red Signal awaiting our correct Departure Time " LOL we got back to Chesham at 0829. They must be working on a Different T/T. Weekend All stations Service worked like Clockwork with no hanging around at stations to regulate the service nonsense. I hope that might explain why people rush around on Platforms. The moral of this story and in life is ' Don't believe everything you read on paper and on the Internet'. Regards Coops ETA No malice intended, just pure Entertainment .  |
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