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Post by knap on Dec 6, 2012 13:23:12 GMT
I got badly caught up in the suspension north of Rickmansworth on Dec 5. Ironically, I left work early as we had a power cut and could not see to work after 4:30, so hearing the suspension was caused by another power failure was interesting! However, listening to the PA announcements, reading on twitter feeds and looking at the TFL web site, although they all agreed the line was suspended north of Rickmansworth, there were quite a few reasons given - Local power failure Chorleywood Signal Failure Chalfont Main signal mains power failure Amersham.
Was the long problems caused by one event or a bad combination?
In case anyone is interested, after waiting about 2 hours at Rickmansworth, I eventually found a taxi and took it home to Amersham, costing me £20! There were quite a large number of people stuck!
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Post by SE13 on Dec 6, 2012 14:45:33 GMT
Oh for the days when LU used to generate it's own electricity.
One for another thread perhaps, but back to those days......
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Post by metrailway on Dec 6, 2012 15:25:45 GMT
knapIf you are stuck at Ricky for a long time, there is an alternative to the taxi. The hourly 336 bus stops outside Rickmansworth station and goes to High Wycombe via Chorleywood station, Chalfont & Latimer station and Amersham station. Have no idea what the fare is nowadays as I haven't had to use it for about 5 years!
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Post by knap on Dec 6, 2012 16:29:32 GMT
Indeed I know about the 336. It leaves Ricky at 18:27 and last bus at about 19:24. We arrived at the stop at 18:15 and by 18:50 it had still not arrived! It was too cold to stand any longer plus a whole crowd were waiting so we may not have got on, hence I had to find a tax, and find somewhere my wife and I could stand so the taxi would find us and us actually spot the taxi!
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Post by metrider on Dec 6, 2012 18:37:33 GMT
At about 17:35, one met train I was on had an automatic announcement "There is a good service on all London Underground lines".
I was aware of the service suspension and thought "oh no there is not!!!" as well as being annoyed at yet another misleading automatic announcement!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 19:14:06 GMT
As I understand it a local power failure in the Chorleywood area resulted in the loss of signal main between rickmansworth & Chafont. ( I don't know the exact signals etc.)
I believe the official reason was power failure but possibly some locations were adding their own information.
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Post by metman on Dec 6, 2012 23:39:32 GMT
There must have been a problem this (Thursday morning) as an S8 appeared to stall on the approach to Harrow down road (into plat 3) and was there a good 15 mins. Trains were blocking back to Neasden. Thankfully I sailed past on my Chiltern Turbo! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 9:37:01 GMT
There must have been a problem this (Thursday morning) as an S8 appeared to stall on the approach to Harrow down road (into plat 3) and was there a good 15 mins. Trains were blocking back to Neasden. Thankfully I sailed past on my Chiltern Turbo! ;D I was caught up in that, Trains were backing up to Baker street by 09.45, I was stuck 1 signal section on the approach to Finchley Road for 20 mins. I bailed out onto the Jubilee line, but trains were stood all the way to Wembley, must have counted about 10 between Finchley Road and Neasden. I must commend the female driver on my Met train for keeping us well informed, even though the was not much information to pass on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 18:57:59 GMT
I was told it was cable theft.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 15:48:59 GMT
It was not a cable theft
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 23:47:27 GMT
I was told it was cable theft. It certainly wasn't cable theft. The train got gapped going over points where a 5 mph TSR was imposed.
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 16, 2012 5:32:10 GMT
I was told it was cable theft. Yes naturally, who told you that, someone from DD?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:05:48 GMT
I was told it was cable theft. Yes naturally, who told you that, someone from DD? I should imagine that, as 'funk' is a Met line T/Op, he might have other sources of information.
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Post by metman on Dec 16, 2012 11:54:46 GMT
I could imagine a train could get gapped at slow speed over those crossovers! That's the problem with a TSR at such a location, but the TSR is there for a good reason! Some you win....
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 16, 2012 14:54:39 GMT
Yes naturally, who told you that, someone from DD? I should imagine that, as 'funk' is a Met line T/Op, he might have other sources of information. Exactly what has that to do with the price of bread or anything else? The source apparently passing misinformation ! Perhaps someone got it from the greatest source of such, wikipedia! T/Op sources are generally limited to the direct variety, the line organisation being top of the list.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 16:05:38 GMT
Although aren't we talking about 2 separate incidents? The power failure on Wednesday and the gapped train on Thursday?
From experience you take much of what your told with a pinch of salt.
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 16, 2012 16:25:26 GMT
Although aren't we talking about 2 separate incidents? The power failure on Wednesday and the gapped train on Thursday? From experience you take much of what your told with a pinch of salt. Actually I'd say about 90%, honesty would be far better! In today's PC world where no-one must be unduly alarmed the softly softly approach is designed to keep the sheep happy although it is generally frustrating to anyone with a brain and a thought process. Of course these days everything seems to be an Act of God and nobody's fault and it's more than a job's worth to lose face by telling the truth. It's very political and badly so, no wonder ES and other media have the attitude they do when things go wrong. I can see both sides but I have always thought that information dissemination was weak no matter how good the technology to deliver it. Of course the favourite defence to misinformation, bending the truth or simple dishonesty is the well worn "we don't want to cause panic". People need to toughen up, we live in a rough environment where people should not be treated as mushrooms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 20:50:55 GMT
Topic: Met Suspension Wednesday 5 December 17:00 Onwards
I'm talking about that one. Key word is Topic.
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Post by abe on Dec 18, 2012 8:00:31 GMT
I was caught up in the failure on 5 December. Although my wife tried to get to Rickmansworth by road to pick me up, Amersham was gridlocked and she ended up returning home. I ended up walking from Rickmansworth to Chalfont. Five miles in the dark was not entirely fun, especially the section between Chorleywood and Chalfont where the road is unlit, the pavement is overgrown and diverts briefly into some woods beside the road, and someone has helpfully erected a set of knee-high concrete bollards right in the middle of the pavement. That was a lovely walk home...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 8:13:27 GMT
Actually I'd say about 90%, honesty would be far better.... I agree , my point was regarding when your told things by "experts". I recall being told blind the reason for a failure was X but reality was Y. Spin. No one wants to admit the truth. Just look at the increase in major delays on the NR network. OHL damage at Hitchin destroyed yesterday afternoons/ evenings ECML service and hey presto today is doing the same. I don't know the "truth" regarding this failure. Bad luck, bad maintenance, sweating the assets?? But we will never be told the genuine underlying issues. Until the public are prepared to hold politicians to account and to scratch beneath the surface of these and similar problems you will always be fed the spin. Far far too many political safe seats and far far too many voters who vote for their party blindly. Lions led by donkeys....
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