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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 22:57:30 GMT
Over the years of travelling on the Met Line I've noticed that sometimes the Met Trains stop at Neasden only for a member of staff to get off from the cab of the train.
Why is this done? Is this actually timetabled for or sanctioned behaviour?
From an outsiders perspective, not understanding why this it is done, it feels a bit excessive to make a special stop for the benefit of one person while delaying the hundreds on the train a couple of minutes at best and over 10 mins in the case where the fast train fails to catch up with the branch service at Harrow on the Hill and hence a missed connection.
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 4, 2012 23:04:45 GMT
I've never seen this but it's possibly that it could be timetabled like the stops at the Stratford Market Depot Platform on the Jubilee Line.
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Post by metman on Dec 4, 2012 23:05:13 GMT
This has been covered before, but it does sometimes prevent the train operator taking their train out late, which looking at the bigger picture could delay thousands!
I have to say, it is irritating, but the delay is only ever brief in my experience.
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Post by charleyfarley on Dec 4, 2012 23:16:18 GMT
Surely this is the same as a bus in service making an unscheduled pause outside the garage to drop off a member of staff starting his duty. How could anyone find this irritating?
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Post by Deep Level on Dec 4, 2012 23:21:55 GMT
A bus is normally going at a relatively low speed so it doesn't take much to get back up to speed, a trains has to lose quite a bit of speed, stop, and then make it back up again.
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Post by metman on Dec 4, 2012 23:31:27 GMT
Surely this is the same as a bus in service making an unscheduled pause outside the garage to drop off a member of staff starting his duty. How could anyone find this irritating? If you missed your connection as the OP has stated would you not be irritated?  |
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 4, 2012 23:39:17 GMT
From an outsiders perspective, not understanding why this it is done, it feels a bit excessive to make a special stop for the benefit of one person while delaying the hundreds on the train a couple of minutes at best and over 10 mins in the case where the fast train fails to catch up with the branch service at Harrow on the Hill and hence a missed connection. I can see what you're saying - but what if the T/Op isn't picked up: think of the chaos that could ensue after that: essentially the knock-on effect of that couple of minutes delay obviates possibly many hundreds or even thousands of passengers: depending on where or if the Controller could scratch up another relief. Surely this is the same as a bus in service making an unscheduled pause outside the garage to drop off a member of staff starting his duty. How could anyone find this irritating? If you missed your connection as the OP has stated would you not be irritated? Are connections advertised these days, not being a MET regular, I don't know y'see? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 23:50:48 GMT
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Post by metrailway on Dec 4, 2012 23:55:40 GMT
A few years ago some of the morning stops were timetabled - I'm not sure if that is the case nowadays. If drivers didn't let T/Ops on/off at Neasden, the impact could be significant.
It is not just T/Ops; Permanent way and signalling staff are dropped off at specific locations. If staff weren't dropped off, the railway would stop operating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 23:55:50 GMT
Are connections advertised these days, not being a MET regular, I don't know y'see? Formal connections at HoH have been officially denied since the current timetable came into use but the recent trends for Amersham trains to use platform 1 now make northbound connections virtually impossible. However going into London in the morning I have changed on to a fast train at HoH a number of times recently |
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Post by metman on Dec 4, 2012 23:57:49 GMT
M the brand new spanking timetable allows such a frequent serivce that connections are hardly a problem! Who am I kidding ;D
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Post by SE13 on Dec 5, 2012 0:05:30 GMT
Surely this is the same as a bus in service making an unscheduled pause outside the garage to drop off a member of staff starting his duty. How could anyone find this irritating? Late turns were full of unscheduled stops dropping staff as close to home as possible.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 0:06:04 GMT
Are connections advertised these days, not being a MET regular, I don't know y'see? True the Met line timetables posted on the stations do not really highlight connections. However the expectation of making a connection arises when your jubilee line train pulls into Finchley road just as the Met Line branch you need closes its doors but the dot matrix happily informs you that a Fast train is due in a minute. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 17:37:26 GMT
M the brand new spanking timetable allows such a frequent serivce that connections are hardly a problem! Who am I kidding ;D Don't start me off on the timetable...  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 19:05:50 GMT
We did have an early morning duty that changed drivers at Neasden.
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Post by orienteer on Dec 7, 2012 22:03:23 GMT
Only noticed the unscheduled stops for staff drop off on the southbound Mets. Why can't they just use a Jubilee train from Wembley Park?
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Post by Fahad on Dec 13, 2012 22:04:55 GMT
I'm probably being completely dense here, but why does this happen at all? There aren't any advantages I can see to taking a Met train as opposed to a Jubilee between Wembley and Neasden - there aren't any stations to be skipped out, and the Jubilee provides a much more frequent service
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Post by metman on Dec 13, 2012 23:05:15 GMT
No you are not being dense.
I think on occasions T/ops come from Met stations (eg Harrow) and if running late will stay on a Met train and ask it to stop rather than get delayed changing to a Jubilee.
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Post by Fahad on Dec 14, 2012 20:27:11 GMT
That sounds reasonable
I saw a member of staff board a southbound Met at Wembley Park the other day, alighting at Neasden
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Post by Antje on Dec 17, 2012 6:11:32 GMT
I don't think that it may be timetabled anyway because the pick-ups and set-offs usually only last for a few seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 15:54:00 GMT
Sometimes the Jub cannot be taken because there is either no service (engineering work) or Jub suspension of service.
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