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Post by toledo1850 on Nov 30, 2012 6:37:28 GMT
I was on a Watford bound S8 yesterday, and noticed the seats had been reduced even more, with no 2+2 seating at all,
The S8 already have a completely unsuitable seating plan for use beyond Baker Street, are TFL trying to reduce this even further, or is this a Extended S7 on test?
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Post by Chris W on Nov 30, 2012 7:09:56 GMT
You would have been on a S7+1... in other words a Hammersmith & City train with one Metropolitan car inserted covering for a early S8 that's been returned for modifications at Bombardier...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 30, 2012 9:55:28 GMT
You would have been on a S7+1... in other words a Hammersmith & City train with one Metropolitan car inserted covering for a early S8 that's been returned for modifications at Bombardier... Actually it's an H&C, Circle, District train with another H&C, Circle, District car inserted. A Metropolitan car would still have transverse seats. |
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Post by Chris W on Nov 30, 2012 13:47:22 GMT
Actually it's an H&C, Circle, District train with another H&C, Circle, District car inserted. A Metropolitan car would still have transverse seats. Blimey.... I stand corrected  Crawls back under stone  |
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Post by toledo1850 on Nov 30, 2012 14:53:17 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up, i was wondering if they were reducing seating capacity by stealth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 16:28:22 GMT
This reminds me of the 1959 Piccadilly Line trains, having an extra car inserted, and being loaned to the Central Line, whilst the Central's 1962 trains were being manufactured, to replace ageing standard stock trains.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 30, 2012 16:33:45 GMT
SWT's class 455/7s had a similar history - one car of each unit started out in a class 508, and was left behind for formation in a 455 when the 508s were sent north to Merseyrail. In that case the different construction of the 508 and 455 means the extra car sticks out like a sore thumb.
And in the immediate post war period, the Southern did something similar, augmenting its 3SUB units (which were wooden-bodied conversions of pre-WW1 steam-hauled stock on new frames) to 4-car by adding a Bulleid-design all steel trailer, which was much wider, and only later re-bodying the frames of the older vehicles to match.
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Post by 1018509 on Dec 1, 2012 16:47:02 GMT
In that case the different construction of the 508 and 455 means the extra car sticks out like a sore thumb. Don't know what you mean. Other than being wider, not as tall and flat roofed you barely notice one in a rake. ;D |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2012 17:42:16 GMT
In that case the different construction of the 508 and 455 means the extra car sticks out like a sore thumb. Don't know what you mean. Other than being wider, not as tall and flat roofed you barely notice one in a rake. ;D .....and the bigger windows in the doors, and the one-piece hopper ventilators........ |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 1, 2012 19:05:53 GMT
In that case the different construction of the 508 and 455 means the extra car sticks out like a sore thumb. Don't know what you mean. Other than being wider, not as tall and flat roofed you barely notice one in a rake. ;D The body shape is completely different! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:32:06 GMT
'Completely' to anal rail enthusiasts sure may be debatable, but I doubt an average commuter would ever notice or care.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:42:34 GMT
Its funny that when I experience the difference between a S8 and S7 carriage, the visual perception is that there are far fewer seats on a S7. However, the reality is that the traverse seating just adds 2 seats per carriage. I think the uncluttered nature of the S7 gives the illusion of far fewer seats
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 22:10:30 GMT
Its funny that when I experience the difference between a S8 and S7 carriage, the visual perception is that there are far fewer seats on a S7. However, the reality is that the traverse seating just adds 2 seats per carriage. I think the uncluttered nature of the S7 gives the illusion of far fewer seats Your use of the word "illusion" is very appropriate since the supposedly increased standing area with longitudinal seating is in practice considerably reduced due to the protruding legs of seated passengers. With transverse seating, seated passengers' feet are safely out of the way leaving the central space 100% available for standing, and with no tripping hazard. |
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Post by metman on Dec 3, 2012 22:20:57 GMT
That is a very good observation. I've not been on an S7 (nor do I wish to!) but it will be interesting to see the space remaining. Hoe do they compare with a C stock?
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Post by l1group on Dec 29, 2012 21:49:38 GMT
Went on that train today to Chesham (+ return). It is an S7+1, my friend noticed before I did. One of the carriage numbers is 21319 for definite, as I took a picture of it (but as it was night, it mostly produced undesirable results, but I could read that carriage number though!). When I went on it, it ran "semi-fast" (fast Moor Pk-HOTH, all stations afterwards) due to delay. (Additional edit) That is a very good observation. I've not been on an S7 (nor do I wish to!) but it will be interesting to see the space remaining. Hoe do they compare with a C stock? S7s seem to be "more open" (due to the lack of separation between cars) than the C stock (as a passenger). Even the regulars do notice them, and I've heard positive responses from my school friends who use them when they appear. But, an S8 or S7+1 isn't as good as an A stock though! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 22:42:00 GMT
That is a very good observation. I've not been on an S7 (nor do I wish to!) but it will be interesting to see the space remaining. Hoe do they compare with a C stock? It's fair to say that it's more open (as l1group says) and much easier to get through, which can save people a long wait if they miss the train. I've seen people at Hammersmith running to a "car" when they can just walk through the train to get to the "car" that'll get them nearest to the exit at their station. |
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Post by causton on Dec 30, 2012 1:39:25 GMT
Don't know what you mean. Other than being wider, not as tall and flat roofed you barely notice one in a rake. ;D .....and the bigger windows in the doors, and the one-piece hopper ventilators........ ...don't forget that you have to hold down the door buttons for a second or two instead of a normal tap, otherwise they hiss open an inch or two then slam back shut! |
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