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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 16:40:07 GMT
Evening all,
Today while travelling on the Northern (albeit only from South Wimbledon to Colliers Wood), I came up with a solution of how to deal with people waiting for a train going via Bank or Charing Cross instead of changing at Kennington, my solution: Don't tell them until you get to Oval. My theory is that if you don't tell them what branch it will be travelling on, they will get on the train in case it is going via their branch and if it is: good, if it isn't: change at Kennington. This should significantly reduce the overcrowding on platforms between Morden and Oval, Edgware and Chalk Farm and High Barnet/Mill Hill East and Kentish Town. I am unsure what overcrowding is like on the latter branches as I live in Colliers Wood and have never travelled further than Kentish Town.
What do y'all think?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 16:51:49 GMT
Evening all, Today while travelling on the Northern (albeit only from South Wimbledon to Colliers Wood), I came up with a solution of how to deal with people waiting for a train going via Bank or Charing Cross instead of changing at Kennington, my solution: Don't tell them until you get to Oval. My theory is that if you don't tell them what branch it will be travelling on, they will get on the train in case it is going via their branch and if it is: good, if it isn't: change at Kennington. This should significantly reduce the overcrowding on platforms between Morden and Oval, Edgware and Chalk Farm and High Barnet/Mill Hill East and Kentish Town. I am unsure what overcrowding is like on the latter branches as I live in Colliers Wood and have never travelled further than Kentish Town. What do y'all think? ELL What about the likely impact of increased crowds at Kennington milling about? It just shifts the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 17:54:13 GMT
But surely the announcements that tell you to change at Kennington would have the same effect if people actually listened to them
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Post by superteacher on Oct 14, 2012 18:37:17 GMT
But surely the announcements that tell you to change at Kennington would have the same effect if people actually listened to them I believe the announcements say "change at Kennington if no through train is shown." Regular passengers know roughly how often a Charing Cross branch train will come along, and will usually wait if one is indicated. As Whistlekiller says, there could be overcrowding at Kennington with your idea. Also, how would you conceal the destination of the train without switching off the trains DMI? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 15:22:46 GMT
You conceal the branch using the same method that is used after the train has cleared from the branches, I have never seen a Morden bound train at Tooting Broadway that still says whether it was a Charing X or Bank train.
And also, the platform DMIs have a scrolling message at Colliers Wood that just says Take the first train and change at Kennington if necessary as does the gentleman that announces it on the PA system
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 16:50:55 GMT
You could argue the same logic on SSR as well. Rather than waiting for your Ealing Broadway train you won't know until it gets to Earls Court what your trains destination is. The Met could sort itself out at Harrow or Wembley.
The logic is the standard LU is advice is to take the first train and change.
However in today's society I feel it a backward step to give less information unless you genuinely want people to get the first train. So for example if work being undertaken at Colliers Wood meant a reduced platform area, it is preferable for people to change at Kennington rather than wait.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 18:20:48 GMT
But on the SSR, it would be a lot more convoluted to implement because as you have said, it involves not revealing anything about the trains destination until Earls Court, I am proposing that on the front of the Northern Line trains, it would just say High Barnet or Edgware or Mill Hill East or wherever else it is going to. Also I think that it is just more courteous of people to just get the first train, I can't begin to fathom the number of times that somebody has been just standing at the platform side when they want a Charing Cross train. I propose that if they can't be forced to get the first train, they should be MADE to stand against the wall until their train is the next in as you have people like me that are travelling to Clapham, so it doesn't matter what branch and we end up missing our train. Also Stig, did you fancy a change of speciality?  |
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Post by jimini on Oct 15, 2012 20:16:39 GMT
Bad idea. As mentioned above, you're simply shifting the problem elsewhere. When I'm in London and get the tube into work I go from Tooting Bec to TCR. If there's a CX train within four minutes or so then I'll wait for it. If not I'll make my way up and change at Kennington. I don't encounter hardly any problems when boarding a CX train through the throngs of people waiting for a Bank train, most are courteous and stand aside. It's not courteous as you say to expect people to get the first train and change; it's inconvenient and misleading. Have you tried getting on a northbound train via Bank at Kennington in the peak? It's bad enough as it is without sending people up there and forcing them to change. Just look at what happens now when a Bank train gets diverted at the last possible moment up the CX branch. Carnage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 9:04:15 GMT
Nothing will still happen with that Oval thing. They can view the LED destination indicators inside the coaches, and that's when they will know what branch it is. If it's their branch, they won't go off and vice versa. I agree with whistlekiller, this is a bad idea for sure.
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Post by Fahad on Oct 16, 2012 20:11:29 GMT
Nothing will still happen with that Oval thing. They can view the LED destination indicators inside the coaches, and that's when they will know what branch it is. If it's their branch, they won't go off and vice versa. I agree with whistlekiller, this is a bad idea for sure. Of course, if this was implemented, those would conceal the branch too... |
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