Last A Stock: Regarding the Yob Element

Try telling that to the grumpy old farts on here who think they own the railway

I take exception to that. I am neither grumpy, old, nor a fart (unless mrfs42 has made purple soup again). I do not think I own the railway (well, I own a share of a railway, but that's a different thing althogether), I have taken objection to plebs who think that they own the railway and have the right to be as boisterous as they want with no consideration to their fellow passengers!

Must agree with what bronzeonion said - I was in the front carriage next to a gentleman who swore and screamed because he couldn't get a picture of Croxley station signage from the A stock cause someone walked past the sign! Some of it was pretty pathetic, but the 'rowdy group' I managed to be stuck between at the front weren't all that bad in general!

I think what the 'old farts' need to see is that they were 18 once and those days maybe over, but WE and yes I was one of the loud lot, blonde hair and I feel we were just enjoying ourselves. You have little right to make us feel worthless because we were celebrating the end of the A stock as unlike some we've spent countless hours bashing these especially Bronzeonion. I wont allow him to be brushed as being a yob or anything and if he is I will make a complaint as it is highly inconsiderate. 

If you go back to the days of last trams and trolleybuses I believe seats, blinds and even bulbs would be stolen so I think LU got off lightly last Wednesday. Of course no one went beyond the platform end barriers before the 1990s because we didn't have such nanny state nonsense then. Anyway, if anyone thinks behaviour on the 26th was beyond the pale they should travel on certain parts of the Underground on football match days if they want to see by-laws and conditions of carriage broken (and all the staff looking the other way) so let's cut us enthusiasts a little slack on this occasion.

Modern H&S certainly wouldn't approve of this scene at Amersham for the last LT passenger steam train:

I think some of the problems were caused by lack of time at both Watford and Harrow for fans to take photos. Watford was unfortunate as the train was running late. But departure from Harrow as a bit rushed. I think tour organisers need to allow time for photos to be taken and even, if possible, position the train allowing platform space for people to stand to take photos. Or even allow some supervised access beyond the barriers. They must realise from experience what happens on these occasions. Although the A stock finale may have been exceptional, I didn't see the same number of people when the last 1967 stock toured parts of the Met Line.

For the Sarah Siddons tour recently I did see a member of staff taking some fans past the barrier on Platform 4 at Harrow to take photos. But there weren't so many people around for that.

As an aside, there are photos of the new Siemens Eurostar Velaro on
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It was a normal service train, so it would not have been possible to hold it at Harrow in the platforms, when they are trying to run a service, likewise at Watford.

My point exactly!

From your viewpoint, yes.



Loud, boisterous behaviour can be intimidating to others and can make them feel unsafe. Personally I didn't feel unsafe at all for all the time I was on the train or at Harrow, but I see the point 81stock was making.



By your earlier post, you weren't doing that. I quote:



From what I saw of the "loud lot", and from what you've said there, you weren't sitting just chatting. I don't know what you look like so I don't know if you were one of the loud lot who were actually making a lot of noise, yelling, etc, or if you are just associating yourself with the group, but if you are associating yourself with them then you need to understand that you've just associated yourself with a group who weren't just sitting chatting.



If you'll step back for a moment and stop taking what 81stock said as a personal attack, you'll see he has some valid points. He is calling for some consideration of other passengers, while you seem to be firmly in the camp of "no one was doing anything wrong, old people should just shut up and put up with us".

I'm not going to write an essay here - the points I wanted to make have been made in another thread - but I will say this.

The loud people need to understand and have some courtesy and consideration for people who just want to sit and enjoy the journey quietly. That means not letting yourselves go and yelling and shouting for the whole journey. On the other side of that, the people who want a quiet journey need to understand that there are people who are more exuberant in their enjoyment and celebration and have a little tolerance. If both parties will be considerate of each other, then everyone will get on fine, and threads like this hopefully won't be needed.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't want to be the spoilsport who tells you (group) to turn the volume down, or calm down, etc, etc. You're all in high spirits, and someone telling you to quieten down a bit can be a real downer - I've experienced it myself and depending on the situation it can be unpleasant. But I understand your point, and the feeling of not being able to win regardless of what you do.

I think perhaps a possible "solution" to this whole thing would be if "the group" was a little more self aware. I know it's easy to get caught up in the group and... not quite forget that there are others around, but not consider how "the group's" actions may be coming across or affecting others, regardless of the intention - an unintentional focusing on "the group" to the exclusion of others. Does that make sense?

Anyway, I don't want to drag this out. I know "the group" is aware there are people out there who to varying degrees didn't appreciate the group's actions and hopefully that will generate a little understanding. And hopefully the strongest protesters against the group will have a little understanding at the next event!

You, as in you as a person, are not generally frowned upon by elders at all though negative behaviour is and I say that as an early thirty-something not an older person. All anyone asks you to do is have consideration of others and some of the comments on here by so-called likeminded folk about encouraging other passengers to go to another carriage if they don't like what they see is simply abhorrent and selfish behaviour that typifies too many young people nowadays - the attitude of "I'll do what I want and I'm right and if you have a different opinion then you're wrong and go somewhere else" rather than thinking of how others might be perceiving you and then playing the victim card when anyone does have the balls to say something.

Given the negative attitudes written on this post by several of the younger members of the forum can you really expect anyone to challenge your behaviour of a rowdy group? No doubt the riposte will be something to the effect of "We're always the victims." I feel for you. No, really, I do.

This is my first post in a long time and I won't be in a hurry to post again: the attitudes of some people on here - and yes, I'm talking about you mattbaxter (oh and you'll probably remember me as the old fart who gave his time to host your avatar for you when you asked for help)



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have really pi$$ed me off with your selfish views: and to think you have the cheek to play the victim card saying that old people always give you a hard time. I teach 9 year olds who are less egocentric than you but don't worry, one day I'm sure you'll grow up a bit. Probably.

You'd be surprised, would have been a wake up call for some people to realised what tards they were making of themselves. I'm obviously not for people acting like that, but I quite often get that inferior feeling around some older enthusiasts, really does my head in. I was acting fine on those final runs, just in good spirits with some mates. What I don't like is that it has been assumed that all younger people on the train were acting like loonies, when in fact it was a very small minority who are known for doing this regularly. I'm considering your opinions, but don't feel it fits what I think, which is why I think they are rubbish, whether you like it or not. Complain all you like about me, it's my entertainment.