neilw
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Post by neilw on Sept 8, 2012 11:44:04 GMT
Reading reganorak's post about Leytonstone caused me to re-look at Harsig's excellent diagrams. However, it has raised another question, about Draper's Field Depot which is shown in the temporary arrangement at Leyton. What was this "depot", and how could the link go anywhere since the line is in a deep cutting at this point? Presumably it is something to do with the facility where the substation is?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 12:53:43 GMT
I think it was a P.Way and materials depot provided for the eastern Central Line extensions. I have some dates somewhere about it for what it's worth and, as they say, "I'll get back to you".
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Post by miff on Sept 9, 2012 14:31:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 15:30:11 GMT
I am sure I have seen a "Yellow Peril" with track access to "Drapers Field", maybe in the opening to Stratford in late-1946 or even to Leytonstone in 1947.
Maybe MRFS could check if he has the relevant documents. Meanwhile, I am sill searching for those dates (see above).
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Post by crusty54 on Sept 9, 2012 17:53:28 GMT
it's a Signals Training Centre/Depot |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 19:53:33 GMT
Found it (them!) -
4/5/47 - Connection Drapers’ Field to westbound line abolished.
No.2 trap points and derailer abolished and track plain lined.
April 1950 - Tracks between Eastern Region boundary and rear of Loughton Branch Junction signal box removed and Draper’s Field depot closed.
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neilw
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Post by neilw on Sept 10, 2012 8:12:10 GMT
my query really is that if the site was really at ground level, as miff indicates, how could there be a rail connection unless it ran through the gardens in between? At the point where the "depot" is the tracks are a good 20 feet lower! Talk of the connection at the rear of the signal cabin, at ground level therefore, makes sense, so maybe it did! Any photos of the construction phase?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 10, 2012 10:16:12 GMT
I have a paper copy of the extension to Drapers Field in '46. I need to fire up my scanner sometime this afternoon, if there are any germane bits then I shall find some way of posting them.
I will also move this into 'Historical' when/if I post the scans.
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Post by PGtrips on Sept 10, 2012 12:51:48 GMT
The name Drapers Fields appears to have been applied not only to the PW depot, but to a temporary crossover installed to allow trains to terminate at Stratford and then reverse as the line through Leyton was still in process of conversion. The report into the untimely collision on this section in December 1946 www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/MoT_Stratford1946.pdf sheds detailed light on the temporary arrangements. |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 10, 2012 13:02:40 GMT
In my copy of 'Branch Line to Ongar' by J. E. Connor (Middleton Press) there is a 1914 map of Leyton Station. This shows the goods yard to the west of the road overbridge opposite the station entrance. It states that part of the goods yard was later used as an engineers depot by the Permanent Way Department.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 10, 2012 14:46:50 GMT
Right then - here with the relevant bits of the YP for opening to Drapers Field: Instructions for Auto Xover: Part 1; Part 2. Map: LinkyIf you go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put 538222 and 185624 into the coordinates boxes: choose 1951, post-WWII, Essex 1: 2,500 you can get an overview of the site with a connection to Temple Mills upstairs at the Stratford end of Drapers Field. If you jiggle around the pushpin slightly, then you can get varying degrees of 'not where the watermark is' IYGWIM. |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 10, 2012 15:19:27 GMT
The following map (1953) shows the track in the yard lifted and the area described as 'Recreation Ground'. On the current A-Z it is still a recreation ground. Just in the northern part of the site where the tracks would have entered the site is marked on the A-Z as 'depot', I presume this is the current LT depot.
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Post by bassmike on Sept 10, 2012 16:34:08 GMT
I remember riding back to RAF Chigwell on the 0230 (I think) from Stratford main line to Epping staff train as you could then, anmd being held up on the section between L BJ and Leyton while a j 69 went down the eastbound central line ramp almost to the tunnel mouth and towed two of the damaged standard stock cars from the collision which occured the day before. It then shoved them into the entrace to the yard in question . It then returned to collect further cars which mus have been manouevered out of the tunnel. Our train was then able to proceed to where I got off at Buckhurst Hill. If only I had had a camera as the sight of a steam loco down the ramp to the tube tunnel mus have been unique. The date was sep or oct 1953 I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2012 16:52:53 GMT
This must have been the (second) collision east of Stratford, which took place on 8/4/53.
My notes for that accident read -
Following a signal failure on the eastbound, driver failed to apply ‘stop-and-proceed’ rule correctly and collided with train in front in tunnel on downhill gradient. Twelve passengers killed. Includes map, drawing of rolling stock damage and brake tests.
Pre-1938 Tube Stock motor car 3500 hit by 3431, both subsequently repaired (with 3500 becoming a Ballast Motor). Trailer 7250 damaged beyond repair and subsequently scrapped.
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Post by DWS on Sept 10, 2012 17:26:52 GMT
How many roads did this depot have ?
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Post by miff on Sept 10, 2012 20:50:55 GMT
The Marquis's 1951 map link shows the depot had about 8 roads. On Google Streetview you can clearly see a few houses at the south end of Westdown Road are of more recent build than the rest of the street and they are not on the '51 map. On Google there are no obvious remaining signs of the connecting line into the depot but you can see that the present Drapers Field recreation ground (currently covered by temporary Olympic structures) is at a noticeably lower level than surrounding roads, this level difference is also indicated on the '51 map.
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Post by bassmike on Sept 11, 2012 1:31:04 GMT
was there any connection to the rest of temple mills yard, as there seem to be two non-connected tracks on the diagram?
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neilw
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Post by neilw on Sept 11, 2012 17:08:43 GMT
It wasn't a rolling stock depot as such, but a p-way yard with a small number of sidings at jaunty angles to each other. Presumably it dealt with the stuff required to turn the LNER line into LT, so electrification equipment, etc?
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