EFE model inconsistency

as for point 4, the stabling lights were indeed a modification in the mid 1970s. 62 stock is on the left looking face on, 59 stock on the right, due to differences in cab layout between MG and MAR equipment.

This is probably going off topic, but my recollection of smoking/non-smoking cars in the 1970s is that on the Central line, one of the centre cars (T or NDM) in each unit was a smoking car, whilst the others were non-smoking.

The Bakerloo unit has roundels in the windows on the trailer and NDM only, similar to the Northern line 38TS model. The Piccadilly line 38TS (and all other units except the 62TS with LU roundels and the 59TS in corporate livery that have no smoking stickers on all cars) has them on the DMs only. These three units have overhaul dates from 1949 - 1952.

This is also the case on the Northern line 38TS. They were the first releases and at that time EFE didn't paint some of the smaller parts of the livery. On the 38s the marker lights that are supposed to be switched off were not painted a darker colour, which they did on more recent models. It is similar to how the early EFE bus models didn't have registrations printed on them.

The model that is inaccurate is the one commissioned by the LT Museum of the preserved 1938 stock unit. This is because it was based on Picc models that EFE couldn't sell. The car numbers and destinations were changed, but the roof is dark grey instead of brown and the model has cream window pillars (although they were covered on the ELL set that was also 're-worked' from the Picc unit). There is also an error, at least on my unit, the A end DM has been renumbered to 11012 instead of 10012, and the 'D' DM 10012 instead of 11012. This could be solved by swapping the bodies and changing the letters on the cab ends.

I agree Metman. The models are basically OK, and with a bit of work can be made really good. The most obvious error to me are the LT markings on the T and NDM of the 59 stock, but these are easily removed with a bit of care. The inside seat and floor colours can also be corrected. I am planning to super-detail a set of mine with wire handrails etc when time and effort permit!

I think this issues it should be considered in the context of the models were designed for-

Non - working representations of 1938/1959 Underground stock using mass production techniques!

Everyone has a there own criteria as to what is acceptable and to be honest I bet the majority of modellers don't give a flying fig about missing no smoking signs. The 3 or 4 screws and the car bodies are easily removed so you can stick no smoking signs inside the cars. How inconsiderate of EFE not to include a screwdriver to achieve this!

Anyway I will now crawl back into my oyster shell!

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