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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 20:53:24 GMT
Having had a very helpful response to my first thread - for which I am very grateful - can I ask another question?
It's probably the sort of thing where old hands sigh and say "oh no. not again"........but I did a site search and didn't see anything.
Does the announcement "Would Inspector Sands please report to the Control Rom" still exist?
I heard it for myself once at Stratford and kind of gathered it meant there was some sort of fire alarm or security incident...but was never sure.
Seems a bit 'old technology' these days but would be interested to know what it did actually mean and if it's still heard.
Thanks.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Aug 31, 2012 21:05:54 GMT
I heard it at City Thameslink only today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 21:07:20 GMT
Oh, so the venerable Inspector is alive and well then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 21:07:36 GMT
Who is Inspector Sands?
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Aug 31, 2012 21:10:55 GMT
It's LU code language for a fire report. If you were to yell FIRE FIRE FIRE over the station PA everyone would get dramatic and rush out even if there wasn't a fire.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 21:17:24 GMT
I suppose there must have been employees whose name was actually Sands...and it's quite possible they could have reached the rank of Inspector. Heaven forbid that his trousers ever did spontaneously ignite....what sort of announcement would they have to make then, I ask?...."Would Inspector Sands please attend the Water Tower please"
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Post by revupminster on Aug 31, 2012 21:27:57 GMT
Football grounds are covered by section 12 regulations and we get "Mr Moon is in the stadium" meaning a fire alarm has gone off. When checked out as a false alarm we get "Mr Moon has left the stadium" which always brings a big cheer, If a second alarm goes off then I suppose they automatically clear the stadium.
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Post by cso on Aug 31, 2012 22:01:14 GMT
Quite a few places use code words... I'm doing technical for an event which I've always stewarded at before at the weekend and we have things like 'Disney' for a lost child, 'Mr Jet', 'Mr Fawkes', 'Mr Wellard' for a fight and things like that for use over the radio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 6:47:40 GMT
It's LU code language for a fire report. If you were to yell FIRE FIRE FIRE over the station PA everyone would get dramatic and rush out even if there wasn't a fire. Not only LU,I last heard it at St Pancras Intl. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 1, 2012 8:47:34 GMT
AFAIK Inspector Sands was used because of the use of sand buckets to extinguish a fire.
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Post by madandy on Sept 1, 2012 8:50:44 GMT
I did mini-cabbing in the 1980's. When we picked up cash fares from hotels, clubs, restaurants and even hospitals we were often told "code red" or "code brown" either direct or to the office.
Direct meant that we should bung the member of staff who called the cab 50p if red or £2.00 if brown while to the office meant that the office collected it, and that we should add that to the customers fare.
One of our driver picked up someone at the Royal Free Hospital on a Code Red To The Office and the customer complained to the driver about being overcharged as it cost 50p more than the fare to there. Upon asking for the name of the cab company it was apparently co-incidental that the passenger was a regular of ours who had booked privately to be taken there as an outpatient and did not book a return journey owing to not being sure of how long the appointment would be. Upon being asked why the overcharge the driver rather naively told why.
The fall-out was immense!
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Post by Fahad on Sept 1, 2012 10:06:33 GMT
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Post by metman on Sept 1, 2012 10:08:00 GMT
Heard it at London Bridge last Saturday! That was a shambles. Staff shouting, signs flashing and trains leaving from the wrong platforms! LU is so nice and simple.....
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Post by madandy on Sept 1, 2012 11:07:06 GMT
AFAIK Inspector Sands was used because of the use of sand buckets to extinguish a fire. Two days ago I saw a man in a blue uniform getting into a red car with a blue light on it. Across the front of his jaket was the word FIRE. I deduced from that that he worked section of the armed forces where they train snipers. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Sept 1, 2012 12:04:36 GMT
Football grounds are covered by section 12 regulations and we get "Mr Moon is in the stadium" meaning a fire alarm has gone off. When checked out as a false alarm we get "Mr Moon has left the stadium" which always brings a big cheer, If a second alarm goes off then I suppose they automatically clear the stadium. Many public buildings allow a grace period if only one smoke detector or call point has been activated, so that it can be investigated and usually shown to be a false alarm, avoiding unnescesarry evacuation. The activation of 2 or more call points or smoke detectors of course triggers a full evacuation. |
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Post by Colin D on Sept 1, 2012 14:13:45 GMT
IIRC when I was training to be a guard (way back when), we were taught to use "smoldering" "arcing" or "severe arcing" depending on the severity, in place of fire.This to minimize any panic that FIRE may cause.
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Post by crusty54 on Sept 1, 2012 19:23:55 GMT
Football grounds are covered by section 12 regulations and we get "Mr Moon is in the stadium" meaning a fire alarm has gone off. When checked out as a false alarm we get "Mr Moon has left the stadium" which always brings a big cheer, If a second alarm goes off then I suppose they automatically clear the stadium. Many public buildings allow a grace period if only one smoke detector or call point has been activated, so that it can be investigated and usually shown to be a false alarm, avoiding unnescesarry evacuation. The activation of 2 or more call points or smoke detectors of course triggers a full evacuation. please delete the piece about the number required could cause more station closures |
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Post by Fahad on Sept 1, 2012 20:58:18 GMT
Much more detailed information about the station evacuation procedure is available elsewhere online...
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Post by superteacher on Sept 2, 2012 9:50:09 GMT
Many public buildings allow a grace period if only one smoke detector or call point has been activated, so that it can be investigated and usually shown to be a false alarm, avoiding unnescesarry evacuation. The activation of 2 or more call points or smoke detectors of course triggers a full evacuation. please delete the piece about the number required could cause more station closures How? |
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Post by bowchurch on Sept 2, 2012 19:14:45 GMT
Many public buildings allow a grace period if only one smoke detector or call point has been activated, so that it can be investigated and usually shown to be a false alarm, avoiding unnescesarry evacuation. The activation of 2 or more call points or smoke detectors of course triggers a full evacuation. I used to duty manage in a building with a similar system. We used to tell the staff at fire training it was 2 activations for an evac, but the rules were a bit more complicated after we had sat down with the LFB and Westminster and done a risk assesment. The rules were based on times between the activations, whether acknowledgements had happened between activations, whether public areas or non public areas were involved and whether the system was in a 'public occupation' mode. This then also affected how and when the alarms sounded in each area of the building. The idea being to strike a balance between public safety, and not inconveniencing them by chucking them out the building too often. There will always be a situation that doesn't get planned for. In our case it was some students discharging most of a 9 litre powder extinguisher into a corridor. 6 optical heads triggered in 30 seconds convinced the system we had a 'Super Fire' and everyone was leaving NOW! Our code word was 'Mr. Sands' BTW, as it is for most Westminster venues. |
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Post by causton on Sept 4, 2012 17:08:45 GMT
Indeed, in the shopping centre I work in, when one call point/detector is activated, in the shops the alarm sounds but outside the PA announces the 'incident is under investigation'. Every time that's happened it stops after a few minutes with no explanation, I presume it then tells you to evacuate if a second point is activated/the 'investigation' reveals a fire!  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 8, 2012 20:44:26 GMT
I seem to remember that one of the criticisms in the Kings Cross report was that the problem was continually referred to as a "smouldering" when in all reality it was actually a fire that needed dealing with rapidly.
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