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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 20:18:50 GMT
Went through Marylebone over the weekend, saw them replacing the original ticket gates with more modern versions, plus an extra wide one at each end of the gateline. (they happen to match the ones already in use by Chiltern railways, as fitted by Network rail).
Is there a rolling programme to gradually replace ticket gates with more modern ones at zone one stations?
One possible idea, is to install vertically mounted LED lighting strips on the gatelines, which light up when emergency open function is initiated, which can make an effective form of emergency escape route lighting - surprised nobody thought of that before...
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 2, 2012 20:30:12 GMT
seems to be a programme - Embankment has new gates too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 20:46:01 GMT
Not a program as such, but certain stations identified to massively benefit from additional gates.
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Post by alfie on Jul 2, 2012 21:02:12 GMT
Some of the new ones are very very slow. Most days I end up running into them because they don't open for a second after I've pushed my oyster onto the reader, whereas some of the older ones fly open (and shut..), and are so much more easier to hurry through.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 21:19:30 GMT
The old pneumatic ones are much nicer, smoother and faster gates! The new ones are utter rubbish!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 23:01:19 GMT
They've managed to fit 1.5 new gates at St. John's Wood! That's quite an achievement!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 7:30:58 GMT
The current electric gates are the slowest on the network. The pneumatic gates are the fastest. The difference between the gates is measures in milliseconds but does add up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 11:33:27 GMT
Definitely noticeable anyway! The newer ones fitted in the 90's like at Eastcote are pretty fast but I presume they are more expensive as the materials used feel higher in quality than the new slow ones
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Post by rsdworker on Jul 3, 2012 14:20:08 GMT
Went through Marylebone over the weekend, saw them replacing the original ticket gates with more modern versions, plus an extra wide one at each end of the gateline. (they happen to match the ones already in use by Chiltern railways, as fitted by Network rail). Is there a rolling programme to gradually replace ticket gates with more modern ones at zone one stations? One possible idea, is to install vertically mounted LED lighting strips on the gatelines, which light up when emergency open function is initiated, which can make an effective form of emergency escape route lighting - surprised nobody thought of that before... which original ticket gates? - one with square gates? that installed in early 1980's? for yellow tickets |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 15:16:23 GMT
The original ticket gates are I guess the large pneumatic gates installed largely if not exclusively in Zone 1. When UTS was expanded the wave of gates were electric gates known as E1 gates. I don't know the reason but I would have thought cost would be cheaper installing E gates.
With the network now gated we have seen some newer version E gates and gatelines were building work/ new gatelines have been introduced. Kings Cross springs to mind that have the latest version of the E gates.
The new version E gates have initially been plagued with reliability issues. The exact reason is not known , well to me at least, but I would suggest that the new version E gates were developed with NR TOCs in mind - who are now the biggest purchaser of new gates. Unprovable of course. And couldn't cope with the higher demands placed on them by LU.
I would hazard a guess that H&S as well as component cost have driven the development of the E gates. Although P gates will always operate quicker they suffer with lack of compatibility with Oyster.
Of course LU have seen the wide spread introduction of WAG E gates but the funding for this project had stopped. Not sure if a new programme has started but I would hazard a guess that life expired equipment will be replaced which is something that will shape LUs future refurbishment plans I presume.
On a related note, new ticket gates have just been installed at Peterborough. The first I have seen not created by Cubic. Or if they are they don't follow the same design as the gates widely used across London and South East.
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Post by trt on Jul 3, 2012 15:30:53 GMT
I thought the gates out at Watford met were pneumatic? I'm pretty sure they are. One of the "reasons" they gave for closing the station was so they could "reuse infrastructure like the gates and the ticket machines" at the new stations. The new stations which didn't have a compressor room shown on the plans...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 15:47:24 GMT
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Post by trt on Jul 3, 2012 15:51:28 GMT
Stands corrected.
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Post by peterc on Jul 3, 2012 16:18:53 GMT
I love the way people with heavy luggage ignore the wide gates and battle to force a huge wheelie suitcase through one of the standard ones.
Of course that is after they have finally worked out by trial and error which gates work in the direction that they are trying to go. The red X and green arrow lights don't seem to be any sort of hint.
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Post by causton on Jul 3, 2012 21:34:40 GMT
Try spending any time at all at a gateline - I was waiting at the one at Clapham Junction and saw:
2 people get stuck in the barriers by trying to fit luggage through a normal gate
3 people ask how to touch in/out in Oyster
1 person who said 'i didn't touch in can you touch me in at Hounslow from here' 'no *penalty fare*'
and a billion times where the oyster readers were broken - they showed code 94 (cannot read card) for loads of Oyster cards! The readers are already broken and the gateline is not very old and of the newest type. *sigh*!
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Post by rsdworker on Jul 3, 2012 21:44:54 GMT
The original ticket gates are I guess the large pneumatic gates installed largely if not exclusively in Zone 1. When UTS was expanded the wave of gates were electric gates known as E1 gates. I don't know the reason but I would have thought cost would be cheaper installing E gates. With the network now gated we have seen some newer version E gates and gatelines were building work/ new gatelines have been introduced. Kings Cross springs to mind that have the latest version of the E gates. The new version E gates have initially been plagued with reliability issues. The exact reason is not known , well to me at least, but I would suggest that the new version E gates were developed with NR TOCs in mind - who are now the biggest purchaser of new gates. Unprovable of course. And couldn't cope with the higher demands placed on them by LU. I would hazard a guess that H&S as well as component cost have driven the development of the E gates. Although P gates will always operate quicker they suffer with lack of compatibility with Oyster. Of course LU have seen the wide spread introduction of WAG E gates but the funding for this project had stopped. Not sure if a new programme has started but I would hazard a guess that life expired equipment will be replaced which is something that will shape LUs future refurbishment plans I presume. On a related note, new ticket gates have just been installed at Peterborough. The first I have seen not created by Cubic. Or if they are they don't follow the same design as the gates widely used across London and South East. the cubic? - its with glass barriers? one seen in Leicester and few others not widespread - derby and nottigham have same type as underground gates - E gates |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 15:38:18 GMT
Of course that is after they have finally worked out by trial and error which gates work in the direction that they are trying to go. The red X and green arrow lights don't seem to be any sort of hint. More often than not, due to a combination of dirt and light conditions, the red X and/or green arrow is virtually invisible! |
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Post by charleyfarley on Jul 4, 2012 15:56:40 GMT
What is a person supposed to do when their Oyster frequently fails both at gatelines and when trying to check the remaining balance on a ticket machine reader, but on arrival at the ticket office, it works perfectly on the ticket man's own reader and his only suggestion is to keep the Oyster away from my keys in my pocket
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 18:11:51 GMT
As a guess there is something in your wallet affecting your Oyster. As a further guess a new style contactless bank card.
If not, again presuming you are presenting your card correctly to the reader. Ask a member of staff on the gateline for help. Of note the error code on the POD. Chances are if u have a 94 error.
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Post by peterc on Jul 4, 2012 20:47:15 GMT
I have found the best way to avoid problems is to carry the oyster card in a dedicated wallet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 19:00:11 GMT
Keeping the Oyster in a back trouser pocket tends to damage it easily - Safest place for it is probably in a jacket pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 23:15:24 GMT
More often than not, due to a combination of dirt and light conditions, the red X and/or green arrow is virtually invisible! Indeed, especially to those of us who don't have perfect eyesight. The new ones with the brightly lit arrow/cross above them (e.g. KX or Waterloo mainline) are much better in that respect. However, some of these newer gates are let down by having the error displays as black on green, which is almost impossible to read. I think we also need to get some left-handed gates installed, for those southpaws who try to put their ticket into the gate on the wrong side, or have difficulty trying to get it in the slot on the right with their left hand, while holding coffee/blackberry/kindles. :-) |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 15, 2012 21:34:33 GMT
More often than not, due to a combination of dirt and light conditions, the red X and/or green arrow is virtually invisible! Indeed, especially to those of us who don't have perfect eyesight. The new ones with the brightly lit arrow/cross above them (e.g. KX or Waterloo mainline) are much better in that respect. However, some of these newer gates are let down by having the error displays as black on green, which is almost impossible to read. I think we also need to get some left-handed gates installed, for those southpaws who try to put their ticket into the gate on the wrong side, or have difficulty trying to get it in the slot on the right with their left hand, while holding coffee/blackberry/kindles. :-) Yes! I managed to open the ticket gate next to me once, being very tired and forgetful. Luckily, an attendant saw and took pity on me! I agree though that the new ticket gates are awful - they may be slimmer than the old ones (ergo, more gates can fit in) but they are far far slower! |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Jul 15, 2012 22:44:43 GMT
And then confusing quite a few people? Barcelona was already confusing enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 19:20:08 GMT
One feature from the older air-powered gates I miss, is that they also served as an unofficial comfortable surface to sit on! - really handy for people whose legs need a short rest!
The smooth wide top to the stanchions made an ideal seat"
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Post by andypurk on Jul 22, 2012 20:08:42 GMT
and a billion times where the oyster readers were broken - they showed code 94 (cannot read card) for loads of Oyster cards! The readers are already broken and the gateline is not very old and of the newest type. *sigh*! Many new installations seem to suffer from this problem. I don't think that the gateline itself is broken, but the calibration of the readers is incorrect. I've had similar problems with new gatelines at Harrow & Wealdstone (DC line side) and Shepherd's Bush (National Rail) stations in the past. It seems to take a few weeks / months for the system to be tweaked. |
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Post by causton on Jul 22, 2012 20:47:26 GMT
and a billion times where the oyster readers were broken - they showed code 94 (cannot read card) for loads of Oyster cards! The readers are already broken and the gateline is not very old and of the newest type. *sigh*! Many new installations seem to suffer from this problem. I don't think that the gateline itself is broken, but the calibration of the readers is incorrect. I've had similar problems with new gatelines at Harrow & Wealdstone (DC line side) and Shepherd's Bush (National Rail) stations in the past. It seems to take a few weeks / months for the system to be tweaked. Interesting. Yes, these have been here a lot longer than a couple of months and still aren't fixed! I believe Cubic get a call out every so often and they can't replicate the problem so nothing happens  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 21:03:45 GMT
An update to the Marylebone ticket gates on the Chiltern Line - Experimental readers have been appended to the gatelines, to allow barcodes on "print at home tickets" to be scanned in order to open the gates. An ingenious idea - hope it is successful and catches on elsewhere! farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8398474110_93301c58f1_z.jpg |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 13:32:07 GMT
Thought those readers were on the gates last summer. We have them at KX mainline as well and tbh I have never been able to get the gate to read my print at home ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 19:26:13 GMT
If they're barcodes, then you will probably find that they won't scan if they're printed on an inkjet printer rather than a laser printer... which given that the vast majority of people will print their print-at-home tickets on an inkjet printer, renders the idea quite useless really...
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