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Post by Christopher J on Jul 4, 2005 16:49:59 GMT
sorry about that No no no, it's alright. I wouldn't mind doing the Newcastle Metro, I've never done it before (nor been up that far on the ECML) - so Newcastle sounds fine with me. But this is yours and Q8's meet - Whatever you wish to do or want to go, I'll gladly go along with it as long as my wallet can financially keep me on my feet. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by q8 on Jul 4, 2005 17:07:14 GMT
No no no, it's alright. I wouldn't mind doing the Newcastle Metro, I've never done it before (nor been up that far on the ECML) - so Newcastle sounds fine with me. But this is yours and Q8's meet - Whatever you wish to do or want to go, I'll gladly go along with it as long as my wallet can financially keep me on my feet. ;D ;D ;D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Well have a look at the GNER website for trains, tickets etc. You can get some very reasonable prices at the quiet times. The journey takes around 3 hours depending on train. If you do decide to make it then welcome. EDIT: ANYONE age under the age of 16 PLEASE get parents say-so to travel if coming alone. It's NOT essential but would put my mind at rest to know that your elders know where you are. A mobile phone in the pocket would be a boon to contact them in emergency.
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Post by q8 on Jul 4, 2005 17:19:23 GMT
The Newcastlian Metro, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- OOOOHHHH!!! don't you let an inhabitant of Newcastle hear you say that! Although I realise that most folk don't know that the proper term is "Novocastrian" I'm NOT telling you off just correcting the minor error. P.S The entire Metro can be done in under 12 hours probably even less. I will try to work out an itenary for the day. In the meantime look at the website below. www.tyneandwearmetro.co.uk/metro.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2005 18:28:56 GMT
Right so if Bob sorts the itinary, I sort the date (to be confirmed by all persons going) and Chris you can organize your way here
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Post by Christopher J on Jul 4, 2005 18:59:24 GMT
Right so if Bob sorts the itinary, I sort the date (to be confirmed by all persons going) and Chris you can organize your way here Sounds good with me. But before I do any booking I would need to know the date of the meet. Personally I'd like to get the 06:15 from Kings Cross (225 Set) to Newcastle (Arrive 09:38), but it all depends on the date, and going early such as 6am would mean a peak ticket which would possibly cost quite a fair bit. I'll wait till a date is sorted then start looking for early, cheap tickets.
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Post by compsci on Jul 4, 2005 19:56:54 GMT
going early such as 6am would mean a peak ticket which would possibly cost quite a fair bit. Since that's going against the flow of commuters on trains which would otherwise be virtually empty, some of the cheapest tickets of all on GNER are to be found on journeys departing from London early in the morning, and arriving back late in the evening, maybe as low as £20 return if you book well in advance (from typing random dates into the website). It's worth talking to the ticket office staff as they are far better than the website for finding small tweaks to journeys which result in big savings, and the website seems to report some types of tickets to be sold out before they actually are. My Dad worked on the Metro for over twenty years, and I'm originally from Newcastle, so I should be able to answer any questions you have about it, or I can ask Dad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2005 19:58:53 GMT
going early such as 6am would mean a peak ticket which would possibly cost quite a fair bit. Since that's going against the flow of commuters on trains which would otherwise be virtually empty, some of the cheapest tickets of all on GNER are to be found on journeys departing from London early in the morning, and arriving back late in the evening, maybe as low as £20 return if you book well in advance (from typing random dates into the website). It's worth talking to the ticket office staff as they are far better than the website for finding small tweaks to journeys which result in big savings, and the website seems to report some types of tickets to be sold out before they actually are. My Dad worked on the Metro for over twenty years, and I'm originally from Newcastle, so I should be able to answer any questions you have about it, or I can ask Dad. could you please be as kind to give me ageneral background to the Metro?
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Post by compsci on Jul 4, 2005 20:27:16 GMT
(From memory) The Metro was originally a network of suburban rail lines, vaguely similar to those in south London, but on a much smaller scale. These all operated out of Central Station (the size of the platform with the ticket office being due to it being formed from filling in several bays). By the mid seventies, this network was starting to get into a bit of a bad state of repair, and it was decided to replace it with a light rail network, as part of the general regeneration strategy for the whole of the Newcastle area. The first sections of Metro opened in 1980, with the rest of the system gradually being converted over a period of about five years or so. The vast majority of the system makes use of the alignments of the railways it replaced, with the main deviations being the twin tubes under the centre of Newcastle, Gateshead and the bridge linking these, and also a viaduct on the line to the east to be separate from the one used by the ECML. There are two lines, yellow and green, with the green line forming a sort of Z shape with a vertical middle section, from the Airport in the north west (newest extension), to South Shields in the South East, via central Newcastle. The yellow line goes from St James (Newcastle United's ground), through the centre of Newcastle to the east, then round a loop around the coast, coming right round to join the green line for it's route south back through the centre of Newcastle. It then continues with the green line for a while before turning onto the Network Rail line to Sunderland, and then following new rails to South Hylton to the west of Sunderland. See www.nexus.org.uk/pdf/Metro_map_2002.pdfThe system is controlled from a signal box at South Gosforth (where green and yellow converge to the north, apart from the extension to Sunderland which is controlled by Network Rail). The rolling stock depot is nearby, just towards the Airport in Gosforth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2005 20:30:33 GMT
cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2005 20:49:29 GMT
hello compsci, welcome to this ere forum. I've always wanted to visit Newcastle and have a go on the Tyne & Wear metro.
One simple question about the system follows...
Are the trains driven manually or is the system automatic, with an operator opening/closing doors and then pressing a 'start' button. I've never come across a book or even good photographs of the system, apart from basic drawings of the cars themselves, the ones I have seen, dont describe the 'workings' of the system. The only photo I do have is of Byker Viaduct under construction!
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Post by compsci on Jul 4, 2005 23:11:16 GMT
The trains are completely manual, no ATO or anything. However, the saftey equipment is rather more advanced than that on the tube, with a system using magnets of some sort used instead of tripcocks etc. This is designed to stop a train BEFORE it can pass a signal at danger.
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Post by q8 on Jul 5, 2005 1:01:45 GMT
Hallo Gent's I have some videos (Commercial) of the Newcastle metro of which I will do copies that anyone who comes to the meet will get gratis (SSSSHHHHH!!!) The copies will be on DVD disk. If I know how many will be there I'll do them before the gathering.
I think Ausgust would probably best time for the meet to take place. The best place for the start of the thing would be Newcastle Central Station. There is a car park there but I don't know how well it is used or how full it gets but there is cctv so the vehicle should be reasonbly safe. Now one other thing. Would those who propose to come please confirm to me by PM not less than a week for the visit.
This will enables me to get the runaround day tickets called "Explorers" for the whole Tyne/Wear area in advance. These tickets enable rides for the whole day on ALL buses/metro and some NR lines within the region. Looking forward to seeing any participants.
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Post by q8 on Jul 5, 2005 1:59:02 GMT
PROVISIONAL ITENARY FOR THE "METROTREK" After we have all gathered at Central Station (anybody needing refreshments, there is a little buffet thing at Central that does eats and drinks) We'll validate our "Explorers" and go below to the Metro station NOT later than 10:30. Thence on first avialable train to South Hylton and remain on that train and either go right round the loop to Monument in one go or take a break in Sunderland and see the Monkwearmouth museum over the bridge. www.twmuseums.org.uk/monkwearmouth/ If the museum is visited we'll resume our trip round the loop to Monument and take a break for a meal and drink in town at eateries of personal choice. We'll allow up to 90 minutes for that. After grub then down below once more and do the whole following in one go. Monument - Airport - South Shields - Central Station. That will be then end of the trek but anyone wishing to spend more time in town is welcome to do so at their pleasure as their "Explorers" are valid for the rest of the day. The whole time actually travelling on the Metro Trains is about 3h 15m. Of course one has to give and take some more or less on that for the vagaries of public transport. A word of warning. I am not sure if Metro allow video photography on the system but a camera WITHOUT flash is OK. I will make enquireis of Nexus about video cameras and post the reply on this forum. If everybody is satisfied with that we'll leave it as is and enjoy our day. If not please PM me or post here for your personal preferences. Another thing the two leading seats on the Metrocars next to the drivers cab are VERY popular with the travellers so DON't expect to get one. See you all on the day.
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Post by chris on Jul 5, 2005 7:19:49 GMT
What date are you thinking of, or when abouts roughly?
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Post by q8 on Jul 5, 2005 8:55:55 GMT
What date are you thinking of, or when abouts roughly? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sometime in early August but at the moment the date is open but will be confirmed very shortly.
How many of you interested can NOT make it on a weekday. A Saturday is a distict possibilty
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Post by chris on Jul 5, 2005 8:59:22 GMT
I'm intrested but will be away in early August from 5th - 19th, but since i'm on me summer holiday now I don't mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 14:59:00 GMT
This sounds bloody good Bob I'm arranging with my mum tonight and I'll do a 'live boradcast' with members who wish to go so we can arrange a definate date!
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Post by compsci on Jul 5, 2005 15:08:57 GMT
It's probably worth mentioning that Northern Rail (or whatever they're called these days) run fast services between Newcastle and Sunderland, stopping at Heworth only. They used to call at every station before the Metro was extended.
Explorer tickets are valid on these if you want to move a bit quicker, or just do things differently. Quite why these trains are shown as taking a completely different route on some maps is anyone's guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 17:40:35 GMT
thanks for the info on the T&W Metro, compsci.
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Post by Admin Team on Jul 5, 2005 18:54:15 GMT
Nice to see that there's been activity despite my enforced absence in the last xx days!
I wish I could say I could join you for this exploration of the Newcastle Metro System (and the other events Q8's got planned for the itinerary) but I think there's more chance of hell freezing over at the momet!
Can I just undeline though a very important point, and that it that you youngsters please make sure you've got full permission of your parents, that you let them know as accurately as possible where you'll be and (as far as possible) when, and that they know how to contact you - at least mobile phones make this more possible these days.
Putting my 'dad' head on - I know I'd want to know what my lad (who's a similar age to several of you here) was up to if he were to be on a jaunt similar to this, and I know his mum (you know what mum's are like.....) would most definitely want to know.
And for the 'older' one's please ensure that you keep your own arrangements well known too - these days it's all to easy to fall foul of the 'authorities'.
I know this next bit is going to sound like an rear covering exercise but......
The Administrators/Moderators and any other 'staff' take no responsibilty or accept any liability for any arrangements made through this forum. Sorry to sound formal, but I'm sure you understand 'my' position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 19:04:05 GMT
Thanks Dave, my mum knows
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Post by q8 on Jul 5, 2005 19:54:25 GMT
The Administrators/Moderators and any other 'staff' take no responsibility or accept any liability for any arrangements made through this forum. Sorry to sound formal, but I'm sure you understand 'my' position. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes I totally agree with that. As I am arraigning this little jaunt the responsibility for ALL AND ANY under 18's is MINE. So please get your Parent's/Guardian's/Elder's permission before coming. If possible have a mobile phone with you and a card or somesuch with full details of who to contact should the need arise..
The Itenary has been published on this forum so print it out and show your parents so that they know what is going on while you are away from home.
Then we can all have a fun day and go home happy and unharmed.
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