Fahad
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Post by Fahad on Jun 6, 2012 20:11:39 GMT
The Central Line has been completely up the wall tonight
Bethnal Green to Leytonstone was closed due to flooding (burst water main)
But why was (as of 2112, is) a shuttle service running from West Ruislip to North Acton, with all Bethnal Green trains running to/from Ealing Broadway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 20:32:57 GMT
The shuttle service works quite well - although a West Ruislip to White City would be my first option. But u would need to see if u had enough drivers and available trains.
The shuttle service allows controllers to concentrate their available resources to the main part of the line while the branch can become self sufficient.
Also encourages people to take the first train rather than wait. This can only be good for the already congested stations.
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Post by gantshill on Jun 6, 2012 21:04:21 GMT
The disadvantage of having to change at North Acton onto the West Ruislip trains (I live in Perivale, so I am biased) is that changing platforms is awkward, particularly for those with mobility difficulties. Also, the communication between the signallers/controllers and the passengers is very weak.
On Monday, when a similar emergency shuttle was in place, I rushed over the footbridge and jumped on the train. There were still people coming down the stairs when the driver was trying to close the doors and leave. I will admit to standing in the way of the door to allow the last half dozen people get on, as there was no clear notice saying when the next train was due. It was not clear why the West Ruislip train was needed to leave before the Ealing Broadway train that was still in the other platform. That decision was not passenger friendly.
Today, when a similar shuttle was in place, the driver waited for everyone to get on before leaving, even though there was a green signal. However, the train (at least the first four cars) were full and standing, so a train load of passengers was required to cross a single narrow footbridge to continue their journey.
The final point I would make is that there are two other routes from central London to Ealing Broadway, whilst the alternative routes to stations on the West Ruislip branch (at least as far as Northolt) are not as straightforward.
Sorry. This is somewhat bad tempered and I am probably taking it out on the central line.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 6, 2012 21:12:45 GMT
Burst water main flooded the line near the Old Ford fan shaft. Can't blame LU for this one!
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Post by alholmes on Jun 6, 2012 21:16:45 GMT
Does anyone know what time the service was suspended? Water was flowing rapidly at 12:30pm along Wick Lane, just north of the GEML overbridge. I live right beside Wick Lane, and we had a few inches of water in the underground car park, although it seems that most water was flowing down to road towards the ventilation shaft.
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Fahad
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Post by Fahad on Jun 6, 2012 21:18:39 GMT
The shuttle service works quite well I may be mistaken here, but I think there was a single train on the whole branch. There was definitely a hell of a lot of crowding at North Acton |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 6, 2012 21:19:55 GMT
Does anyone know what time the service was suspended? Water was flowing rapidly at 12:30pm along Wick Lane, just north of the GEML overbridge. I live right beside Wick Lane, and we had a few inches of water in the underground car park, although it seems that most water was flowing down to road towards the ventilation shaft. I heard about it on BBC Essex at around 1.20pm, so must have been not long after you noticed the water. |
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Post by bowchurch on Jun 7, 2012 0:09:20 GMT
I'm guessing it's the Crossrail enabling works on Wick Lane that caused it. They are in the process of digging some very deep holes to strengthen the Ham and Wick sewer, to prevent it being damaged by the Crossrail bores.
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Post by torquewrench on Jun 7, 2012 5:25:59 GMT
24" diameter fresh water supply pipe ruptured leaving tunnels under 4ft of water. Shifting that amount of water is going to take a while let alone the repair!
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Post by alholmes on Jun 7, 2012 5:45:27 GMT
I'm guessing it's the Crossrail enabling works on Wick Lane that caused it. They are in the process of digging some very deep holes to strengthen the Ham and Wick sewer, to prevent it being damaged by the Crossrail bores. This was nothing to do with the strengthening work. The Thames Water person that I spoke to advised that they had detected an underground leak last week. Cones had been erected around some parking bays on Wick Lane at the end of last week but the work didn't start until yesterday. Within a few hours of starting the work, the pipe burst and the water flowed... I puzzled by reports in some of the media stating that Stratford station was flooded. It's half a mile away and water would need to defy gravity to reach Stratford. |
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Post by torquewrench on Jun 7, 2012 6:09:25 GMT
My eyes clearly deceived me then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 9:21:23 GMT
Does anyone know what time the service was suspended? Water was flowing rapidly at 12:30pm along Wick Lane, just north of the GEML overbridge. I live right beside Wick Lane, and we had a few inches of water in the underground car park, although it seems that most water was flowing down to road towards the ventilation shaft. When I picked up my train around 13:30 they were already calling a halt to the WB LES back to WOO and HAI for signal problems. We then got reports of water ingress at Old Ford, the EB was halted at LIS and shortly after that we got the suspension LIS to LES both roads, certainly before 14:00. Later we opened up to BEG. I heard that an 800m stretch was flooded, over a metre at the deepest point and along with the damage to trackside equipment the substation down there was a total write-off. When Wood Lane give us the green we don’t know if there’s another train waiting to come in so we go, if we waited for every passenger to get on we could be there forever, who knows how many more are coming. Wood Lane don't see passengers, they see trains on the diagrams and they want to keep the service running at evenly spaced intervals. Down on the platforms the view is slightly different. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 7, 2012 14:35:21 GMT
Still suspended. Could be a long one.
EDIT: Through services restored just after 16:30.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 17:39:14 GMT
I saw what I presumed to be a stalled train sitting at Stratford WB around 2PM, i came back fifteen minutes later and it had moved in to the platform. Then I made my way to LIS via overground and saw the same train trundle through out of service to RUG. I remembered the fact it had a middle DM. It seemed the last two cars had been graffitied pretty badly, I'm wondering if this happened overnight it Stratford?
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Post by bowchurch on Jun 8, 2012 0:57:02 GMT
This was nothing to do with the strengthening work. Really, where was the breach then? That section of Wick Lane is a mess at the moment thanks to Crossrail enabling, Network Rail refurbishing the GEML overbridge, and the new traffic lights going in for the Olympics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that with all that civil engineering going on that the leak happened. I puzzled by reports in some of the media stating that Stratford station was flooded. Tfl reported flooding at Stratford as the cause for the line closure, this was probably just repeated by the press. This was a horribly simplified description of the problem (given the flood wasn't even in the same borough as Stratford) but I can't think of a better way of delivering the reason that the average customer will understand. |
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Post by alholmes on Jun 8, 2012 6:24:47 GMT
Really, where was the breach then? That section of Wick Lane is a mess at the moment thanks to Crossrail enabling, Network Rail refurbishing the GEML overbridge, and the new traffic lights going in for the Olympics. Seems a bit of a coincidence that with all that civil engineering going on that the leak happened. The breach was in a hole, the size of three parking bays on the west side of Wick Lane, immediately to the north of the entrances to the underground car parks at Bow Quarter - completely separate to all of the work going on around the railway bridge, and a lot further south than the new traffic lights. The parking bays had been coned off last week, but the work only started on Wednesday. Tfl reported flooding at Stratford as the cause for the line closure, this was probably just repeated by the press. This was a horribly simplified description of the problem (given the flood wasn't even in the same borough as Stratford) but I can't think of a better way of delivering the reason that the average customer will understand. I agree that it was a simplified description, but it could have been better to just describe it as being between Stratford and Mile End stations. Last night, BBC London's reporter described it as being at Stratford International! |
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Post by plasmid on Jun 9, 2012 20:31:55 GMT
How they managed to pump all the water out in a day, check and fix all the infrastructure and get the service going again was a god send to be honest. Well done TFL and ignore Tom Edwards the useless BBC reported.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 10:33:14 GMT
How they managed to pump all the water out in a day, check and fix all the infrastructure and get the service going again was a god send to be honest. Well done TFL and ignore Tom Edwards the useless BBC reported. Tom Edwards used to have a transport in London blog on the BBC website and it was obvious from reading it that he has no more knowledge on the subject than the average passenger. Totally Scooby-less. |
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Post by plasmid on Jun 10, 2012 16:04:25 GMT
How they managed to pump all the water out in a day, check and fix all the infrastructure and get the service going again was a god send to be honest. Well done TFL and ignore Tom Edwards the useless BBC reported. Tom Edwards used to have a transport in London blog on the BBC website and it was obvious from reading it that he has no more knowledge on the subject than the average passenger. Totally Scooby-less. I noticed his blog disappeared, all negative stories as well. Sub-Standard style. |
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