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Post by alfie on May 22, 2012 20:40:54 GMT
In the last few weeks (and months..) I've noticed the contractors doing some work doing some work on or near a couple of stations on the eastern end of the Central Line, and I've finally gotten round to asking what it is.
First off is westbound of Woodford - they appear to be sticking a lot of gravel/ballast or whatever it is on a bank at the end of the road leading into the Valley Court. There was also an LU Vauxhall van type thing there before, but it's disappeared, and the clancydocwra rail division vehicles have stayed, moving back and forth and occasionally blocking the road.
Also a couple of things that I've likely only just noticed and have probably been there since the dawn of time - a couple of new security cameras, adjacent to the siding for Woodford via Hainault trains, which can literally bend down if they need to (though a lot of orange vests were present, and they pulled it down), and what I believe is a new signal (which will be 1970s or something) a few hundred yards past the siding.
Next, to Leyton. Simple question here - are they building a new ticket office or something? There's a few holes in the fences, two on the eastbound and one on the westbound past the no entry gates, which are covered up with big blue fencing. From my observations today, it looked like they had Bostwick gates or whatnot.
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Alfie
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Post by 21146 on May 22, 2012 22:24:19 GMT
Leyton is, I believe, a temporary entrance/exit for Olympic Traffic.
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Post by alfie on May 23, 2012 6:26:03 GMT
Makes sense. Will they at least put in an oyster reader or two then?
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Post by adehare2012 on May 23, 2012 15:22:30 GMT
Also, what are they doing when the Central Line is closed Bethnal Green-Marcle Arch at weekends (though Loughton were saying it was closed Liv St-Marble Arch but the trains were saying Bethnal Green. Confusing or what :/
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Post by alfie on May 23, 2012 15:58:12 GMT
Last weekend, it was advertised as Bethnal Green to Marble Arch, but it ended up being Liverpool Street - likely because of the match at Wembley.
According to the TfL website, they were doing up stations for the olympics.
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Post by Colin on May 23, 2012 18:02:27 GMT
Bit more than that is going on - points renewals in the Liverpool Street area  |
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Post by jswallow on May 23, 2012 18:28:25 GMT
Leyton is, I believe, a temporary entrance/exit for Olympic Traffic. From the triumphant newsletters that the council shove through our letterbox, they're not just for the Olympics. Getting out of Leyton in rush hour is madness. Three ticket barriers in the out direction is nowhere near enough, so the side path is going to be a godsend. |
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Post by alfie on May 24, 2012 19:36:41 GMT
Right, I've decided not to make a new thread, as this is all sort of relevant..
So today, I saw one of the clancydocwra people playing with a red box and other lineside equipment. Any ideas?
Also today, 91047 was held westbound of Woodford at a red signal. Normally, when I pass at that time (3.10-3.15) the Woodford via Hainault terminators are there, in the siding, but this was in the westbound running line, with the two signals at the siding at red, but the next signal further along displaying a white aspect. All very odd. I suspect someone took a wrong turn.
Finally, on the 22nd, 23rd, 29th and 30th of September, the Central is closed between Leytonstone and Hainault via Newbury Park, so will this mean the return of Hainault via Woodford trains (and some South Woodford terminators..)?
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Post by crusty54 on May 24, 2012 19:55:45 GMT
Leyton is, I believe, a temporary entrance/exit for Olympic Traffic. Leyton is an emergency tip out point for Olympic traffic if there are problems at Stratford. |
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Post by revupminster on May 24, 2012 20:13:14 GMT
i thought the stairs and side gate from the eastbound at Leyton was for football traffic even though i never seen it used.
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Post by torquewrench on May 24, 2012 22:37:06 GMT
Leyton is, I believe, a temporary entrance/exit for Olympic Traffic. From the triumphant newsletters that the council shove through our letterbox, they're not just for the Olympics. Getting out of Leyton in rush hour is madness. Three ticket barriers in the out direction is nowhere near enough, so the side path is going to be a godsend. Bingo! Use this station everyday and yes it is a bit rough exiting the station at most times of day, let alone the peaks! Generally speaking though for the Olympics I've heard that they're going to redirect all punters wanting to go to the Aquatics Centre (and another part of the site, cant remember what one) via Leyton. This is why there is a 'Leyton Beautification' scheme going on in the area.. Waltham Forest council still haven't come to light with the term 'You cant polish a turd, only bathe it in glitter!' Oh, and a new footbridge has gone in on Ruckholt Road. |
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Post by plasmid on May 24, 2012 23:48:57 GMT
From the triumphant newsletters that the council shove through our letterbox, they're not just for the Olympics. Getting out of Leyton in rush hour is madness. Three ticket barriers in the out direction is nowhere near enough, so the side path is going to be a godsend. Bingo! Use this station everyday and yes it is a bit rough exiting the station at most times of day, let alone the peaks! Generally speaking though for the Olympics I've heard that they're going to redirect all punters wanting to go to the Aquatics Centre (and another part of the site, cant remember what one) via Leyton. This is why there is a 'Leyton Beautification' scheme going on in the area.. Waltham Forest council still haven't come to light with the term 'You cant polish a turd, only bathe it in glitter!' Oh, and a new footbridge has gone in on Ruckholt Road. Yes I've seen the additional footbridge, literally so the road can be widened which is about time. Not sure why they are re-paving outside Leyton station though since they only bloody well done it less than a year ago! Cheek! Leyton Library + all the surrounding buildings are being done up, also the tree lighting further down near Hainult road. Leyton is getting attention and I wouldn't call it a "polished turd" anymore near the station, Bakers Arms on the other hand and I'll accept that comment. The additional exit is much needed, though if it's being put in place why not keep it? It's overcrowded as it is. |
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Post by Chris M on May 25, 2012 0:11:41 GMT
The additional exit is much needed, though if it's being put in place why not keep it? It's overcrowded as it is. Exactly my thoughts about the temporary footbridge at Canning Town! |
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Post by torquewrench on May 25, 2012 23:44:08 GMT
I also hate it when people congregate outside the station for no reason other than to stare at asda! I wouldn't mind if the pavement was quite large but its not and everyone blocks back up to the gate line.
Also the bus stop to the left of the station too going towards Stratford...So many people wait for the buses that serve here forcing people to walk on the road just to get passed. Isn't the first time I've seen someone whacked by a buscar/cyclist after stepping out in the road.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 19:31:59 GMT
I wonder if Leyton will receive extra staff for the new exit or whether the current staff will be stretched further?
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Post by torquewrench on May 27, 2012 21:42:12 GMT
Who knows! They will probably get ahold of extra staff as assistants...
Don't get me started on the CSA's at Leyton! Just walk through the station from 8pm each night to find them tucked away in the ticked office with gates left open letting any old scrote jump fares!
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Post by Rich32 on May 28, 2012 12:41:16 GMT
Which is why they are probably in there, as a place of safety.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 17:28:03 GMT
Don't get me started on the CSA's at Leyton! Just walk through the station from 8pm each night to find them tucked away in the ticked office with gates left open letting any old scrote jump fares! Yes and I'm sure a lone CSA at a station like Leyton at night would be perfectly safe to approach a passenger who may not be very happy about being challenged... I always thought the teams of RCI's were responsible for chasing up revenue not station assistants. |
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Post by torquewrench on May 28, 2012 22:26:59 GMT
Yes but leaving the gates open for anyone to walk through, disappearing in to the ticket office watching a film on their iPhone (close the curtain some more then I wont see you) isn't just being in 'a place of safety'. It's called not doing your job, surely?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 0:29:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 11:54:18 GMT
Yes but leaving the gates open for anyone to walk through, disappearing in to the ticket office watching a film on their iPhone (close the curtain some more then I wont see you) isn't just being in 'a place of safety'. It's called not doing your job, surely? If the gateline is left unattended all gates should be left open but activated or at least that was the fire safety instructions we got when I was an SA long, long time ago. Management didn’t like it as when the gates were left open they couldn’t count the number of tickets going through so they had pay based on an estimated figure which favoured Prestige. I would assume the same applies today so no one is going to leave the gates open unless they have to as it will end up being brought to the attention of the GSM. They might have been on their meal break; book on at 17:00, finish at 01:30, around 20:00 or 21:00 would be about the right time |
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Post by torquewrench on May 29, 2012 12:35:40 GMT
Yes but leaving the gates open for anyone to walk through, disappearing in to the ticket office watching a film on their iPhone (close the curtain some more then I wont see you) isn't just being in 'a place of safety'. It's called not doing your job, surely? If the gateline is left unattended all gates should be left open but activated or at least that was the fire safety instructions we got when I was an SA long, long time ago. Management didn’t like it as when the gates were left open they couldn’t count the number of tickets going through so they had pay based on an estimated figure which favoured Prestige. I would assume the same applies today so no one is going to leave the gates open unless they have to as it will end up being brought to the attention of the GSM. They might have been on their meal break; book on at 17:00, finish at 01:30, around 20:00 or 21:00 would be about the right time Great, thanks for that. One question though. I thought that with current technology, when the fire alarm is activated the gates would automatically open anyway? |
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Post by Colin on May 29, 2012 14:30:55 GMT
You are assuming all stations have fire alarm systems, which isn't the case Things may well have changed in the years since I worked on stations, but I'm also fairly certain that barriers are not actually connected to the fire alarm systems, where such systems are in place. |
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Post by Dom K on May 29, 2012 14:56:35 GMT
Yes but leaving the gates open for anyone to walk through, disappearing in to the ticket office watching a film on their iPhone (close the curtain some more then I wont see you) isn't just being in 'a place of safety'. It's called not doing your job, surely? If the gateline is left unattended all gates should be left open but activated or at least that was the fire safety instructions we got when I was an SA long, long time ago. Management didn’t like it as when the gates were left open they couldn’t count the number of tickets going through so they had pay based on an estimated figure which favoured Prestige. I would assume the same applies today so no one is going to leave the gates open unless they have to as it will end up being brought to the attention of the GSM. They might have been on their meal break; book on at 17:00, finish at 01:30, around 20:00 or 21:00 would be about the right time Only the other day as I was passing through Seven Sisters (mainline entrance) the ticket barriers were left open. |
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Post by v52gc on May 30, 2012 6:50:20 GMT
Ticket barriers need to be monitored for safety reasons, lots of things getting stuck in them including bags, children, legs, bags, dogs, and so on...
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Post by alfie on May 30, 2012 7:15:00 GMT
In recent months, SOW has started to close the ticket barriers more often off-peak..but the manual gate is still left open..
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 8:08:55 GMT
Woodford works are embankment stabilisation as part of the wider programme. The central area closures were, I suspect, to allow the construction of the new overbridges across the w/b at Tottenham Court Road as part of the congestion relief scheme.
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Post by alfie on May 31, 2012 12:08:24 GMT
Thank you moquette.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 8, 2012 21:14:40 GMT
You are assuming all stations have fire alarm systems, which isn't the case Things may well have changed in the years since I worked on stations, but I'm also fairly certain that barriers are not actually connected to the fire alarm systems, where such systems are in place. It was a requirement of the Fennell Report that UTS was reviewed with the Fire Brigade and Railway Inspectorate. Recommedation 141 in the report (pdf page 196) www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/DoT_KX1987.pdfOne of many changes to the ticketing system was that ticket gates, as installed back then, be modified so that the emergency open circuit was linked into the fire system. If the evacuation phase was activated in the fire system then the emergency open circuit would be triggered on the gates. I am not aware that this requirement has ever been changed. It is very striking to read the report recommendations 25 years later and see what an effect it had on how LU does stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 11:00:58 GMT
The hoardings are down and there are now two large bostwick gates on Platform 2 EB. However there are no Oyster readers next to them so I suspect they are there only for emergencies during the Olympics or when the Os are playing at home and won’t be used to ease congestion during the evening peak.
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