|
Post by roboverground on May 15, 2014 16:30:09 GMT
Thursday 15th May Lunchtime: T72 5727-5560-5596 T73 5712-5551-5516 T74 5733-5550-5594 T75 5549-5555-5522 Parsons Green T76 5533-5517-5592 -
|
|
rincew1nd
Administrator
Junior Under-wizzard of quiz
Posts: 10,286
|
Post by rincew1nd on May 15, 2014 16:58:52 GMT
Come to think of it, how is the Wimbledon branch signalled is it an IECC or something else? The Wimbledon branch is signalled by Network Rail, I'm not sure what will happen when the SSR is re-signalled.
|
|
|
Post by domh245 on May 15, 2014 17:13:57 GMT
Whatever will happen will also be happening on the Richmond Branch, and the northernmost parts of the Met, I don't think there are any other NR overlaps. What will probably happen is a clever bit of overlaying, such that the SSL system will feed back to the NR signalling centre, and when the existing block is clear, the associated signal will clear as well, allowing the NR train to continue up to the next signal. How that would work in practice though might be a bit odd, particularly if you have an LU train passing an NR signal at stop, but continuing to move along for a bit before stopping.
|
|
rincew1nd
Administrator
Junior Under-wizzard of quiz
Posts: 10,286
|
Post by rincew1nd on May 15, 2014 17:18:52 GMT
I get Richmond, but isn't the north end of the Met' all LU then fringing with NR north of Amersham.
|
|
|
Post by domh245 on May 15, 2014 17:27:19 GMT
I believe it is LU controlled and owned, but I doubt chiltern would want to fit the seltrac system to their trains, so the chance to fit standard NR systems, and removing the small tripcock fleet would be too good to miss
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 15, 2014 22:06:08 GMT
Not sure how we drifted so far off-thread in this, so can i wrap-up the deviation by concluding that under the proposed Bombardier SSR resignalling Command and Control of the Wimbledon branch was to transfer to LU as they own the infrastructure, assets stations etc. Signalling would be optimised for LU operation, spacing etc. then lineside signals, controlled by LU, would be installed for NR trains. The Richmond route would remain under NR Command and Control, so the ATO/TBTC system would be overlaid onto the existing signalling.
could we now return this thread to the correct matter in hand: C Stock formation reports.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 20:48:45 GMT
Thursday 15th May Lunchtime: T72 5727-5560-5596 T73 5712-5551-5516 T74 5733-5550-5594 T75 5549-5555-5522 Parsons Green T76 5533-5517-5592 - Two C stocks and 2 S7 observed at Olympia this evening, Saturday May 17th, running an Edg Rd - Olympia 20 min interval service. Two Cs followed by two S7s. Train 161 was 5712/5551/5516, 162 was 5733 at the Olympia end, other end not noted. S7 train 163 was 21308 at the Olympia end, other S7 nos. not noted. The driver of 5516 accompanied by an LU lady official both said they thought the next fortnight on the Wimbleware would see just two C stocks in weekday traffic before they're taken off altogether at the end of the month. Can anyone confirm this?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 20:57:18 GMT
I think 5550 was the middle of 162, but I neglected to pay close attention, which almost certainly makes the Edgware Rd end 5594 if anyone could confirm?
|
|
|
Post by crusty54 on May 18, 2014 4:45:10 GMT
4th June has been mentioned as the last date.
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 18, 2014 7:06:01 GMT
4th June has been mentioned as the last date. The last 4 remaining trains are expected to be withdrawn from service shortly before that date, full details as yet unavailable.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 14:26:43 GMT
So can we expect the regular Wimbleware pattern since Feb of 4 x C and 4 x S7 to continue at least to Fri 30th or Sat 31st May? The phrase 'the last four remaining trains' could either refer to the last 4 serviceable units of which two might be in use each day, OR mean the existing eight serviceable units will continue to be available, of which any four will be in use daily as per WTT 144, although 145 is now in force has anyone seen it yet?). This ratio of 100% standby cover must be quite unusual. I'm trying to reconcile the information (or opinion) given by the C crew as posted yesterday. Any further advice welcome, as the now favourable weather inevitably turns one's thoughts to some 'last chance' photography. (By the way, the link to the plan of Putney Bridge was most interesting, thank you.)
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 18, 2014 14:37:15 GMT
So can we expect the regular Wimbleware pattern since Feb of 4 x C and 4 x S7 to continue at least to Fri 30th or Sat 31st May? The phrase 'the last four remaining trains' could either refer to the last 4 serviceable units of which two might be in use each day, OR mean the existing eight serviceable units will continue to be available, of which any four will be in use daily as per WTT 144, although 145 is now in force has anyone seen it yet?). This ratio of 100% standby cover must be quite unusual. I'm trying to reconcile the information (or opinion) given by the C crew as posted yesterday. Any further advice welcome, as the now favourable weather inevitably turns one's thoughts to some 'last chance' photography. (By the way, the link to the plan of Putney Bridge was most interesting, thank you.) Due to this weekends engineering work WTT145 will come into full operation tomorrow. My apologies for not making it clear but my 'the last four remaining trains' meant the last four passenger service workings, yes 8 trains still survive. It is still intended to provide the usual 4xC / 4x S from tomorrow, until 29 May. After this date is, as i said in my previous post, still awaiting confirmation.
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 19, 2014 7:27:53 GMT
19/05/2014 70 21389/90 71 21311/12 72 5592+5517+5533 73 5596+5560+5727 74 5516+5551+5712 75 21355/56 76 5721+5531+5578 77 21337/38
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 20:19:39 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 21, 2014 6:50:37 GMT
21/05/2014 70 21355/56 71 21321/22 72 5721+5531+5578 73 5594+5550+5733 74 5596+5560+5727 75 21347/48 76 5592+5517+5533 77 21363/64 PG29 5516+5551+5712
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 7:09:22 GMT
As 'C Day' approaches can I with respect ask for more clarity in posts regarding the 'final run' of the C Stock? A farewell tour approx one month after the end of normal C stock traffic is surely long after the genuine event. Enjoyable as many seem to find it, participation in a tour by 'sealed train' crowded with enthusiasts, not stopping anywhere and making a succession of almost but not quite station stops is far removed from the genuine travel experience, i.e. doors opening and closing at stations, a cross section of London society boarding and alighting, platform announcements telling you to check the destination on the front of the train as the dot matrix platform indicator is a bit temperamental (per Putney Bridge, Fulham Broadway and Earls Court yesterday), the driver explaining to anxious commuters looking at their watches that a 2 minute wait will even out the service, etc, etc, in other words the full experience of sub-surface travel by classic stock, warts 'nall. For me at any rate the last time such travel is possible will be the genuine last run of the C Stock. The railtour definition of 'last run' is unclear anyway - for example will there ever be a 'Last Run' of '38 tube stock? I suggest that Farewell specials and final runs in normal traffic be clearly distinguished in future posts.
It will be recalled that when the A ended on the Met in 2012 one rake was put out on a full service diagram a week or two after scheduled A traffic ended - this was a great gesture by LU to the travelling public and the station announcement at Harrow that this was the last chance to travel by A after half a century of service set the scene perfectly. Fingers crossed something similar could happen again - perhaps a C Stock lap of honour by service train on the Circle?
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 22, 2014 6:43:11 GMT
22/05/2014 70 21321/22 71 21347/48 72 5594+5550+5733 73 5592+5517+5533 74 5721+5531+5578 75 21367/68 76 5596+5560+5727 77 21355/56 PG29 5516+5551+5712
|
|
|
Post by roboverground on May 26, 2014 14:09:46 GMT
Getting word that (all 4 booked passenger sets) 72 73 74 and 76 planned for 'S' stock operation from Tuesday 3rd June with relevant moves for onward disposal of six sets leaving just two for the final days
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 27, 2014 11:09:36 GMT
26/05/2014 70 5594+5550+5733 71 21419/20 72 5720+5552+5726 73 21417/18 74 5721+5531+5578 75 5596+5560+5727 76 21329/30 77 21407/08
27/05/2014 70 21407/08 71 21419/20 72 5721+5531+5578 73 5596+5560+5727 74 5594+5550+5733 75 21333/34 76 5529+5524+5545 77 21377/78
28/05/2014 70 21419/20 71 21333/34 72 5594+5550+5733 73 21407/08 74 5721+5531+5578 75 21421/22 76 5596+5560+5727 77 5529+5524+5545 PG29 5592+5517+5533
29/05/2014 70 21333/34 71 21421/22 72 21407/07 73 5516+5551+5712 74 5594+5550+5733 75 21329/30 76 5529+5524+5545 77 21399/400 PG29 5592+5517+5533
30/05/2014 70 21421/22 71 21329/30 72 5592+5517+5533 73 5529+5524+5545 74 21397/98 75 21359/60 76 5594+5550+5733 77 21333/34 PG29 5516+5551+5712 to Neasden later.
31/05/2014 71 5592+5517+5533 72 21359/60 73 5529+5524+5545 74 21349/50 75 5594+5550+5733 76 21329/30
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 17:36:25 GMT
I'm sure it was train 74 but for sure 1 C stock was cancelled today at Edgware Road and sent to Hammersmith Depot for " Scrapping "
|
|
|
Post by domh245 on May 28, 2014 18:00:22 GMT
Oh dear, a disgraced unit(s). Going by what you've said, it would be 721+531+578 which still means another train is due to go. Would it be the C Stock explorer unit that is due to be the other unit going soon. Lastly, what has happened to 5555 and it's associated train? I'm hoping that it is getting prepped for the Farewell tour, or if it was getting ready for the trip to Northwood, it has had a reprieve!
|
|
|
Post by motorman on May 28, 2014 18:49:52 GMT
5555 ought to be sent to Acton Museum to join 5034 when the time comes.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 9:13:38 GMT
29-5-2014. Took a long breakfast break to see remaining C stock in Kensington and Paddington area. There were 3 workings this morning, Trains 73 (5516 ---- 5712), 74 nos not noted and 76 (5529----5545). as checked on video frames. 70, 71, 72, 75, 77 all seen with S7.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 15:27:04 GMT
29-5-2014. Took a long breakfast break to see remaining C stock in Kensington and Paddington area. There were 3 workings this morning, Trains 73 (5516 ---- 5712), 74 nos not noted and 76 (5529----5545). as checked on video frames. 70, 71, 72, 75, 77 all seen with S7. There were indeed three Cs in service at around 14:00 as well. Train 073 had 5551 in the middle, train 074 was 5594 5550 5733. I didn't get 076, but the spare in Parsons Green sidings was 5533 5517 5592 and I think its number was 137 (is it always 137? I don't really know). In all likelihood 076 had 5524 in the middle, based on previous posts, I doubt there's much coupling and juggling of units going on these days, but it would be nice if someone could confirm this, of course.
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on May 29, 2014 15:32:03 GMT
it would be nice if someone could confirm this, of course. My post above, updated at 0715 this morning confirms this.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 15:44:19 GMT
it would be nice if someone could confirm this, of course. My post above, updated at 0715 this morning confirms this. It does indeed, I'm sorry, I didn't read it through properly, I just navigated straight here from the 'recent posts' page and then responded to locopix. As I say, I had a brief look through to find the other unit (unit is the right word isn't it?) but didn't read the posts properly. Thanks!
|
|
|
Post by antharro on May 29, 2014 22:32:27 GMT
Probably not much use to anyone here, but just in case, there was a C-stock at Wimbledon at about 1945. I didn't get a number due to the SWT 455 passing in the opposite direction. There was also one D stock trundling along to Wimbledon Park and two Ds in the platforms at Wimbledon.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 11:20:06 GMT
'Wimbleware' services as of 12:17 on Saturday 31st May 2014;
T071 5533+5517+5592 T072 21360+21359 T073 5545+5524+5529 T074 21349+21350 T075 5733+5550+5594 T076 21229+21330
Units are shown from South to North and S stock formations have also been included for completeness.
|
|
|
Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 1, 2014 8:04:00 GMT
1/06/2014 71 5529+5524+5545 72 21359/60 73 21329/30 74 5592+5517+5533 75 5594+5550+5733 76 21349/50
|
|
|
Post by sawb on Jun 1, 2014 9:43:04 GMT
For those that may not be able to get tickets, or may be busy on 29th, any idea when last day of C stock normal operation is, and also what train(s)/diagram(s) they will work yet?
|
|