Bank Headshunt

No you're not allowed in there! Why would you be? It's just like any other siding!

Hmmm, I think it's a little bit like going around the Kennington Loop; if they were that worried about passengers traversing the line their procedures would be a little more robust.

I suspect the Bank Headshunt is a little bit "tut tut, naughty Alfie".

Hmmm, "a bit more than that" and "big trouble" suggests that there should be a sign warning you, or that you would need to be particularly devious in order to do it; eg. if you realised you'd left your phone on the seat and jumped back on at the last minute you would still be detected, if you were curled up under the seat however....

Aye, been told by superteacher and you now. Shan't be visiting again.

Since when where they? Certainly, not in the many trips I've made.

How long is the headshunt after Bank station ? Is there room enough to stable one train while others still can shunt from arrival platform to departure one ?

If yes, there was a risk to be blocked under there until next peak !

I'm sorry you've lost me, didn't you just confirm what I just said in your post?

Oh don't tempt me - the Kennington loop was bad enough!



Nah, not with the PSA wandering about... when I went into the Kennington loop there was a passenger halfway down my carriage who obviously didn't realise the rest of us weren't in the train purely for transport... as he got off at the next station, Kennington, and was so bemused

I think that the change was more the LU staff no longer have to check that the train is empty before it enters some sidings. The change allows platforms to be cleared of terminating trains more quickly and so reduces some delays (as is seen at Harrow & Wealdstone).

Passengers are still not supposed to stay on the train during such maneuvers.

But its not.....

Very different rules - mentioning LU's rules is confusing the discussion TBH, but seeing as it's now been brought up......

Yes, but only in certain circumstances.

Those circumstances would be something like a medical emergency, where it may be beneficial to have the train detrained and moved to a siding, or colour light signals failing but a through route using shunts is available.......that sort of thing.

The only part of what you said that is correct is the last sentance. The new procedure does not by-pass the requirement to physically check trains - that's actually an HMRI enforced requirement - there are some local exceptions; Kennington being the more well known one.

As I state above, the new procedure which allows passengers to be carried over shunt moves is only for use in very specific out of the ordinary circumstances.

With respect, I think that you are misinformed. As there are several locations where train checking is no longer undertaken when it was in the recent past. This must have been accompanied by a change in the rules.

At a similar time to the requirement being relaxed for Kennington Loop, it was also relaxed at several above ground locations on the Bakerloo (and probably other locations which I am unfamiliar with). Sure HMRI may have had to give permission for the change to procedures, but it will have been upto LU to ask for it.



Which is why I said that passengers are still not supposed to be on the train.

If it is Signalled by shunt signals then passengers cannot ordinarily be carried. A shunt signal displaying a proceed aspect advises that this can be passed but that the line may be blocked. You should therefore not travel at a line speed! There are a few places still on LU where shunt signals can be cleared with section ahead being occupied.

Should passengers need to be carried past a shunt signal, this must be authorised by the Service Manager. The signal operator must then instruct the train operator to pass the signal when displaying a proceed aspect. If the signal operator MUST monitor the train through the section and if notices anything unusual/wrong then the movement must be stopped.

This obviously therefore is not for every train but is designed for example the wrong road shunt signal on the Cromwell Curve to manage a train stuck between stations there with customers on rather than the RDO (at the time) having to make and record a risk assessment and the time required to do so.


On the District line trains must still be checked to ensure there are no customers present when detraining.

I'd call de-training physically going through all the cars instead of shouting at everybody to get off. I suppose this is one of those local exceptions;



Am I right? Or Barking (haha so funny) up the wrong tree..

Hmm, I probably am, it isn't the Underground.

Suppose that's what I should have said, but is it really every 2 minutes?!

And if you read what i originally wrote, this doesn't disagree with this statement.



But that is the important difference. There used to be NO exceptions to checking trains before passing a shunt signal but now there are.



I agree, but I still I think that I had to challenge your disagreement with what I wrote. I don't think that the details are as different as you made out. The LU part of the discussion can always be moved if necessary.