|
|
Post by vic09 on May 4, 2012 16:27:27 GMT
Hello I have just been watching some recently added videos on YT. If you have travelled on LU recently, you will have noticed the new stickers what have been added to most tube stocks. They are long and go over the doors, and say items trapped in the doors can cause delays. They were added on the 2009 stock in December 2010, and now the S stock, C stock, 1995 stock, 1996 stock, 1992 stocks all have them. But Now on the videos I have been watching, the A stock are having them added too  I think this is a complete waste of money as they are only going to be with us for a couple of weeks. Surely they could have been added too the 09 stocks as certain trains, E.G 11033 has had there stickers vandalized and they are falling off. Or they can be added to the Picadilly and Bakerloo lines? However is this a new safety requirement or something??? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 17:58:08 GMT
Yes it is complete waste of money, nobody pays attention to them. They are on the 1995 stock now and aren't very different to the old ones, just slightly bigger and worded ever so slightly differently. I have a feeling though, it may be for rear-end covering purposes, "obstructing the doors is dangerous" it reminds me of when they introduced the slightly newer swing gate signs at the end of the platforms that say "danger moving trains" Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......
|
|
|
|
Post by jardine01 on May 4, 2012 17:59:48 GMT
Well I am not sure why they changed them as the 1995/1996 stocks i am sure had the sticker saying obstructing the doors is dangerous. I don't think its a waste of money as stickers don't cost millions to make it would say a few quid to make
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 18:13:00 GMT
When I witness at least a few morning peaks worth of trains not having their doors obstructed by various people and their stuff then I will say they are worth the money. But seriously how many early morning passengers are suddenly going to look up and think "ohh that sign that is worded slightly differently from the old one that said pretty much the same thing, I must do as it says" Let's face it there’s even beeps for when the doors close yet people hear them as a starting pistol to run toward them rather than wait! As for the cost, think about the plastic and very high ink costs then multiply that by the sheer amount of doors on every LU train. That’s a lot of money in a time where there apparently isn't the money to have staff driving trains anymore let alone fancy stickers.
|
|
|
|
Post by jardine01 on May 4, 2012 18:16:21 GMT
People are always going to obstruct the doors its a shame really as the next one is at the most 2 minutes away. Obstructing the doors damages the doors and they could be responsible for braking the train doors and taking it out of service! I bet that would not go down well with the Customers!
|
|
|
|
Post by Chris W on May 4, 2012 18:27:53 GMT
As more and more people move to London and itsMetropolis, expect the blocking of doors to happen more and more in the future... Just consider how Japan has had to deal with this issue of overcrowding on its suburban railways in recent years |
|
|
|
Post by alfie on May 4, 2012 19:19:20 GMT
Is that the actual name for them?  (That's a genuine question, by the way..) |
|
|
|
Post by redsetter on May 5, 2012 2:32:27 GMT
a while a go now this happened on the A stock on the circle section heading out,the driver threatened to empty the train if it didn't stop after several repeated requests.it was packed so it would have been difficult.
suppose they have to show the problem is taken seriously even if none takes any notice.so not a waste as such.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 8:04:30 GMT
This change was initiated following a risk review. It might help. On A-stock the change is only being applied to the last ten trains to be scrapped, to minimise spend on short-lived stock.
|
|
|
|
Post by metrailway on May 5, 2012 11:23:40 GMT
Slightly off topic but about ten years ago, a pupil from a certain school in Rickmansworth held my Chiltern 165 to Aylesbury at Harrow for about five minutes as she kept on opening and closing a set of doors on the train repeatedly for fun. People clearly don't take notice of the safety signs.
|
|
|
|
Post by Colin D on May 5, 2012 13:18:08 GMT
As for the cost, think about the plastic and very high ink costs then multiply that by the sheer amount of doors on every LU train. That’s a lot of money in a time where there apparently isn't the money to have staff driving trains anymore let alone fancy stickers. And let's not forget the wages for the maintainance staff that install them, now it gets expensive. |
|
|
|
Post by tecchy on May 5, 2012 16:47:38 GMT
As for the cost, think about the plastic and very high ink costs then multiply that by the sheer amount of doors on every LU train. That’s a lot of money in a time where there apparently isn't the money to have staff driving trains anymore let alone fancy stickers. LU are buying thousands and thousands of these at a time. They get them in bulk and they are cheaper than you think. It is silly to compare it with a train operators salary as the stickers are far far cheaper than that. Personally I think we need some more stickers that are at eye height so that it will reduce the amount of these things happening (of course it cannot be eradicated). It seems that every decision that LU make no matter how small, certain people on this forum despise it. What else would you do in the circumstances? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 18:20:32 GMT
Slightly off topic but about ten years ago, a pupil from a certain school in Rickmansworth held my Chiltern 165 to Aylesbury at Harrow for about five minutes as she kept on opening and closing a set of doors on the train repeatedly for fun. People clearly don't take notice of the safety signs. I'd say she almost certainly did read the signs...........which is why she had a laugh at everyone else's expense opening and closing the doors for 5 minutes. Probably made her day. Please tell me a way of stopping it, cos I don't see how you can without contravening a H&S rule. |
|
|
|
Post by Tomcakes on May 5, 2012 18:43:35 GMT
It probably isn't a waste of money, as I'd expect that when a new batch of stickers needed ordered, they just bought a new type, and applied it to trains as and when they happened to come in. I doubt (/hope) that anybody was specifically paid hours and hours of overtime to go and replace every single sticker on the fleet.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 21:17:01 GMT
This change was initiated following a risk review. It might help. On A-stock the change is only being applied to the last ten trains to be scrapped, to minimise spend on short-lived stock. Wait, does this mean we now know the last few to be scrapped? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 7:14:11 GMT
If a unit has the new stickers then, unless it fails and is too expensive to repair, it'll be one of the last out. There are a couple of other non-passenger facing changes that have also been applied to the last trains to keep overall reliability stable.
|
|
I think this is a complete waste of money as they are only going to be with us for a couple of weeks. Surely they could have been added too the 09 stocks as certain trains, E.G 11033 has had there stickers vandalized and they are falling off. Or they can be added to the Picadilly and Bakerloo lines? However is this a new safety requirement or something??? 
