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Post by cso on Mar 10, 2012 1:47:06 GMT
Well, that reminds me not to try and get the Met Line home again in the evenings... Got to Baker Street tonight on the 2357 Amersham service from Kings Cross, and went in to the shop on Platform 1/2... train was still there. A short while later, there was a LONG blast on a train whistle, and still it sat there. Got on the Uxbridge service on Platform 1 (A-Stock) where the driver made an announcement (no idea what he said, but we think we heard 'passenger action'). Train proceeded to leave, eventually - after Amersham service left. Got to Wembley Park, and train 404 (5062) was taken out of service apparently due to "faulty" doors. Lots of people seemed a bit annoyed at that... I almost suspect that it was taken out of service due to someone holding doors open. Two things from a logistical perspective surprised me during this though: 1) Train on Platform 2 at WPK being taken out of service, which could have been replaced by the NIS train on Platform 1 2) The train going out of service left heading towards HOTH. I assume (and hope) it ended up in the sidings (couldn't see as it was dark) but a small part of me did wonder if it was going to run to Preston Road and then re-enter service Anyone any ideas what these incidents were and whether the "faulty" doors were really actually faulty?
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Post by Colin on Mar 10, 2012 2:34:28 GMT
I can't give you actual answers cos I don't work on the Met and wasn't there, but....... A short while later, there was a LONG blast on a train whistle, and still it sat there. "Blowing up" on the whistle is basically the driver letting the station staff know he or she needs assistance. More often not it'll be for a "handle down" (passenger emergency alarm). The "passenger action" announcement would certainly fit the bill. Got to Wembley Park, and train 404 (5062) was taken out of service apparently due to "faulty" doors. In fairness, it is over 50 years old. "Door problem" can mean all sorts of things but ultimately I'd imagine the bottom line was the driver couldn't get a 'pilot light' (doors closed visual). If that's the case the only safe action is to tip out and run empty. I almost suspect that it was taken out of service due to someone holding doors open. That's quite possible - sometimes it is the only solution. Two things from a logistical perspective surprised me during this though: 1) Train on Platform 2 at WPK being taken out of service, which could have been replaced by the NIS train on Platform 1 I'm a bit lost here over which train is which - and indeed if they're both A's or if one is an S - but given the time of night it might well be possible that the defective train stables in Neasden depot and the good train you want to swap it with stables somewhere like Rickmansworth in the sidings. It would of course be far preferable to have that defective train go to Neasden as booked and so what looks like a simple swap to you may not actually suit the situation. The good train may also be the last train on a branch - if you then swap it and make it the dud, you also cancel that last train. This is where service control types will talk about the 'bigger picture' and how what looks like a sensible move at face value can in fact be the total opposite. 2) The train going out of service left heading towards HOTH. I assume (and hope) it ended up in the sidings (couldn't see as it was dark) but a small part of me did wonder if it was going to run to Preston Road and then re-enter service If the cause of the defect was removed when the train was taken out of service, or the driver is able to rectify it between stations, well yes it is possible that the train may re-enter service. You'll need the likes of MetControl to come along and add anything more concrete.......if he can.
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Post by cso on Mar 10, 2012 10:00:07 GMT
Hi Colin, At least you've confirmed my thoughts Ta Colin
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Post by kabsonline on Mar 10, 2012 20:47:22 GMT
What does passenger action actually mean?
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Post by Colin on Mar 10, 2012 21:41:56 GMT
You had to ask!! It can mean any action (one unders excepted) taken by a person (customer or tresspasser) that affects the train service or operation of a station. There's far too many examples to list, but essentially it means exactly what it says.
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Post by citysig on Mar 10, 2012 22:04:19 GMT
Can't add too much I'm afraid as I'm on a nice long holiday ;D ;D but... Sounds to me like a typical Friday evening, with unfortunate/innocent customers losing out all thanks to a minority who think we're a playground. Colin has more or less given the suspicions I would have, given the time of night, and which night it was.The empty train at Wembley could also have been a booked stabler, and as a result of the current balance between old and new stock, it isn't always possible to swap trains over. The train may have been required in depot that evening, and your train would no doubt have stabled at Rickmansworth. It's a balance of affecting late night customers, or early morning ones. Passenger/Customer action - as Colin implies, where do you start? Holding the doors, operating passenger alarms, verbal abuse to staff, graffiti, soiling cars through one bodily fluid or another, vandalism... the list goes on...
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Post by Harsig on Mar 11, 2012 22:48:47 GMT
Well, that reminds me not to try and get the Met Line home again in the evenings... Got to Baker Street tonight on the 2357 Amersham service from Kings Cross, and went in to the shop on Platform 1/2... train was still there. A short while later, there was a LONG blast on a train whistle, and still it sat there. Got on the Uxbridge service on Platform 1 (A-Stock) where the driver made an announcement (no idea what he said, but we think we heard 'passenger action'). Train proceeded to leave, eventually - after Amersham service left. Got to Wembley Park, and train 404 (5062) was taken out of service apparently due to "faulty" doors. Lots of people seemed a bit annoyed at that... I almost suspect that it was taken out of service due to someone holding doors open. Two things from a logistical perspective surprised me during this though: 1) Train on Platform 2 at WPK being taken out of service, which could have been replaced by the NIS train on Platform 1 2) The train going out of service left heading towards HOTH. I assume (and hope) it ended up in the sidings (couldn't see as it was dark) but a small part of me did wonder if it was going to run to Preston Road and then re-enter service Anyone any ideas what these incidents were and whether the "faulty" doors were really actually faulty? Having had the chance to look into this, it appears that the story starts with the train that was in platform No 4 at Baker Street when you arrived there. This train should have been the first of the three trains at Baker Street to leave but it was delayed by 'Passenger Action', specifically vomit, which meant the train was detrained at Baker Street. Instead the signalman cleared for the Amersham to depart first. As this was the last Amersham service the driver had to wait for a green light from station staff, but they were tied up detraining the train on platform 4. Presumably in this instance his 'blowing up' on the whistle was intended as a prompt to station staff to give said green light. As you note, the Amersham was followed by the Uxbridge train (404) and this was followed by the empty train from platform 4. This empty train was, of course, also the Not In Service train you saw in platform 1 at Wembley Park and having been withdrawn from service on its own account, could not be used to replace 404, when that was withdrawn from service at Wembley. According to the information I have 404 ran empty from Wembley Park to Uxbridge Sidings (its booked stabling location) and the cause of it being withdrawn is given as 'Passenger Action' which does imply that your suspicion that the doors were being held open was correct. All in all, as others have already said, a fairly typical Friday night on the Underground.
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