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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 11:14:19 GMT
Where can I get a copy of the Northern Line timetable, especially the bit that applies to trains between Kennington and Morden? I emailed TFL for one but they did not bother replying. I think it is (or was) called timetable 51, and embodied the wisdom of running Northbound trains in the morning more or less exclusively to the Bank branch, so that anyone who wants to go to the West End has to get off at Kennington and change to a separate north-bound train there. Likewise I am interested in seeing the timetable for the southbound trains in the evening, the one in which only Bank trains run to Morden so anyone heading south from the West End has to get off at Kennington and get on to an already overcrowded train from the Bank side.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 2, 2012 11:14:13 GMT
LU don't publish timetables for passengers (except for the north end of the Met). Timetables obviously exist for staff use, these are known as Working Timetables (WTT) and each one is numbered in sequence from the opening of the line or a major change in the line (e.g. the Jubilee Line numbering restarted when the extension opened). Working timetables though are classified as internal documents that are not for publication, so in the normal course of events you don't get to see them (although sometimes old ones are available if you know where to look, and other forum members can help you here if you are interested). These days however you are in luck as you can request copies of the current working timetable using the Freedom of Information Act, but you will only get a hard-copy version. If you want to go down this route, email enquiry.tube@tfl.gov.uk with your request, specifically mentioning the Freedom of Information Act[1] and include your postal address. Legally they must respond within 20 working days.
[1] Legally you don't have to mention it, but it doesn't cost you anything and it makes it clear.
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Post by alfie on Mar 2, 2012 16:23:09 GMT
WTT51 for the Northern Line certainly has existed..but I have WTT53 and it is dated 31st January 2010 until further notice. There may be a newer one but I'm sure this one has the information you need. Good luck with your request. I wouldn't be rude with it however..certainly, if I worked in a legal department I wouldn't want someone going off on 'I DEMAND THIS NOW. YOU HAVE TWENTY DAYS.'
Ah, explains why the W&C is on WTT5 AFAIK!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 2, 2012 19:00:31 GMT
Yes, I would just ask for the current working timetable for the Northern Line rather than a specific number (unless it's a specific historical one you're interested in of course).
Also, as Alfie says, it's always best to be polite about these. things. There isn't any need to mention the deadline unless they've exceeded it and you're sending a followup.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 23:43:50 GMT
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Post by cso on Mar 3, 2012 17:15:11 GMT
Interesting to see that TFL can now provide them in electronic form I still wish they could do them in a computer-readable form though so I could do things with them
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 21:48:56 GMT
Thanks for that link to FOI requests. Pity the brain dead fools in the "customer service" department couldn't actually be bothered replying to my original email a while back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 22:12:14 GMT
While I'm here, who is responsible on the day for ignoring and over-ruling the time-table? A quick glance tels me that, Monday to Friday, there should be several Charing Cross southbound trains in the late afternoon and early evening that run all the way to Morden. Frequently there aren't any. Who has the authority to terminate all the SB Charing Cross trains at Kennington, in apparent contravention of the time-table?
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 5, 2012 22:34:45 GMT
Ooooo!
Damn my printer not liking generic ink; mind you I'm sure a full set is cheaper than the postage on eBay for one of these!
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Post by Phil on Mar 8, 2012 13:09:55 GMT
in apparent contravention of the time-table? Wrong word - failure to understand what a TT is. It is (and can never be more than) only ever a statement of intent barring adverse circumstances. These circumstances can include train failure, signal failure, passenger action, staff shortages, illness, track failure..............the list goes on. The word "contravention" implies legal fault and is totally the wrong way to look at it. Believe me, all staff want to run as many trains as they possibly can - it was true before, and is even more so now with the advent of performance targets. Cancellation of trains is only ever done as a last resort, due to the known consequences (overcrowded platforms etc.) of doing so. Repeated cancellation of the same trains indicates some sort of recurring problem yet to find a solution .
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Post by Ben on Mar 8, 2012 18:25:44 GMT
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