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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 22:01:47 GMT
I recently read that in LU's SS lines resignalling project it is intended to abandon Northwood siding and cross over. It will just be plained tracked through the area with a suggestion of a cross over much nearer Moor Park.
I do wonder, (if it is true) as to the wisdom of this. Over the years I have observed the siding being used for may different uses, primarily for the turning of the service during emergencies, and somewhere to hold cripples. Also the track recording train in recent years often reverses in the siding. It also links to the unelectrified engineers siding which has been used in the past during the track replacement programme.
Reversing the service at Moor Park doesn't seem to have any advantage unless the fast lines are continuing to work northbound, thus enabling transfer from the truncated slow service for Amersham/Chesham direction passengers.
So, could this be a false economy?
I recall that the retention of an electrified siding at Northwood in the Met's modernisation in the early 60s was to allow, if required, a shuttle service Northwood to Watford. This was certainly part of the pre war service planning as part of the met's aborted New Works Programme.
And of course it is currently the entrance to the A stock's Valhalla!
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Post by metman on Feb 29, 2012 22:59:44 GMT
You make some good points. In addition Moor Park is in the middle of nowhere! You can imagine the announcement at Northwood; ''this train terminates at Moor Park, however please change here for better connections''!
Keep Northwood, where more people live. In fact why not put an additional X over at Moor Park?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 8:07:31 GMT
Personally I think the removal of crossovers is silly altogether, look at Finchley Road etc. Just removes flexibility, but saves money in the short term!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 8:44:29 GMT
Personally I think the removal of crossovers is silly altogether, look at Finchley Road etc. Just removes flexibility, but saves money in the short term! It seems difficult to argue with this point. Indeed, how come there are savings? Surely the cost of removing the track must be greater than the cost of including it in the signalling.
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Post by memorex on Mar 1, 2012 9:50:07 GMT
It seems difficult to argue with this point. Indeed, how come there are savings? Surely the cost of removing the track must be greater than the cost of including it in the signalling. I'm sure someone will shortly say that points left in will need to be maintained, but I don't understand why they can't just be left permanently scotched & clipped.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 1, 2012 10:53:22 GMT
I seem to recall that the loss of North Ealing x-over in the early 1970s was advised-against but it went anyway to save on maintenance costs. Wasn't there also one at Victoria on the SSL? That just leaves Embankment's to cater for engineering works, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 13:49:42 GMT
It seems difficult to argue with this point. Indeed, how come there are savings? Surely the cost of removing the track must be greater than the cost of including it in the signalling. I'm sure someone will shortly say that points left in will need to be maintained, but I don't understand why they can't just be left permanently scotched & clipped. If they get permanently secured then they will rust and we'll never be able to use them. That's why we have "rusty rail" moves in the (worst ever) timetable.
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Post by citysig on Mar 2, 2012 1:39:00 GMT
I think everyone needs to hold on a moment . I've seen plans which include additional crossovers, and replacement of others. Northwood crossover and siding are assets that are generally abandoned during extreme weather - both hot and cold - and so need replacing with equipment that can stand up to such extremes.
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