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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 23:12:40 GMT
So after LUL's bottle job last year, when they had ample chance to run at least one s stock in heavy snow, now its crunch time.. 2 INCHES ALREADY DOWN, and more to follow. All they had to do is run one train last year, and find out ANY possible issues, before more trains arrived. fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 23:18:14 GMT
Severe delays are occurring due to adverse weather conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 23:23:42 GMT
I just had a quick look on the Tfl website - It doesent make good reading! Severe Delays and line suspensions across nearly the whole network!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 8:10:29 GMT
Just seen two s stocks rumble through M P on the local lines.
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Post by allan60 on Feb 5, 2012 9:04:38 GMT
Minor delays are occurring due to the non availability of staff. Tfl website 8:59. Well that's better than last year!
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Post by t697 on Feb 5, 2012 9:05:06 GMT
There seems to be no reluctance to send S stock to Chesham this morning. The 0855 departure was S stock and seems to have rejoined the main at Chalfont OK. If an S stock did get stuck yesterday, can anyone say positively that an A stock wouldn't have done? Given the conditions, where the conductor rail was already at or below 0C when the snow started, the critical factor would have been whether de-icing fluid was being deployed by the booked and maybe additional, de-icing paths. That is equally important to all LUL fleets. There are more de-icers in the S8 fleet than there ever were in the A stock fleet. The Chesham branch is perhaps more vulnerable, due to its geography and weather. Also there are only 2 trains each way per hour. Arguably, an 8 car train is less likely to get stuck than a 4 car, as it has more collector shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 9:16:32 GMT
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Post by t697 on Feb 5, 2012 9:20:23 GMT
Certainly are some big gaps this morning but more trains seem to be out now. The next one to Chesham is S stock too. But SE England is still poor at all this isn't it. Glad I wasn't on the M40 or M25 last night.
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Post by metman on Feb 5, 2012 11:53:10 GMT
4.5 hours! 4.5 hours is how long it took me to get home last night/this morning!! The route was from Euston Square to Harrow via Finchley Road, Baker Street, Queens Park and Harrow Rd!
Most of the S stock trains on the system are infact de-icers so you'd have thought that they would be employed as such- WRONG! I bet most of the units don't even have fluid in them yet.
The mighty ATO Jubilee Line failed too, in the end they pulled the whole service and dumped the trains where they were, leaving thousands of people to try and get onto overcrowded buses that simply drove past bus stops crushing hopes! Was not a great night for TfL!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 13:06:18 GMT
Did a few things in the snow yesterday, but no Met. C and D stocks were really struggling for traction out of Bow Road, on the gradient!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 17:37:56 GMT
I dont think it was the trains that was the problem, as far as I could see both A and S stock were running smoothly last night/this afternoon
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Post by metman on Feb 5, 2012 18:02:04 GMT
Not when I was using them. I think there was a actually a points/signal problem around Wembley Park. The SS at Finchley Road was ready to throw in the towel-poor bloke!
So many trains got stalled in the snow including the Capitalstars and the 96ts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 18:23:22 GMT
21005/6 disgraced itself at Rickmansworth on 416D 15:47 AMS-ALD and was taken out of service and moved to Rickmansworth South Sidings
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 18:26:27 GMT
21005/6 disgraced itself at Rickmansworth on 416D 15:47 AMS-ALD and was taken out of service and moved to Rickmansworth South Sidings the early trains remain the worst ones. 21009/10 also.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 18:31:12 GMT
21005/6 disgraced itself at Rickmansworth on 416D 15:47 AMS-ALD and was taken out of service and moved to Rickmansworth South Sidings the early trains remain the worst ones. 21009/10 also. Its been a year since 21005/6 threw in the towel at Finchley Road and Neasden!! Quite a lot of arcing coming from the shoes!
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Post by citysig on Feb 5, 2012 20:16:14 GMT
The adverse weather caused national problems. Not saying it's right, but most of the country - road, rail, air - ground to a complete standstill.
The S-stocks out and about performed more or less as expected, and better on the whole than A-stocks. There is one issue. They have a running mode which is designed to keep them moving in the worst weather. However this does degrade both their speed and their performance in other areas.
The (non-weather) delays experienced are, unfortunately, a symptom of running full services at the weekend. We simply do not have a robust level of train staff at the weekend as efforts are focused on weekday running. It has been this way for some years now, and shows no sign of being properly addressed.
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Post by metman on Feb 5, 2012 20:19:50 GMT
Yes that's the impression I was given by staff on the ground. They really earn't their money last night!
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Post by graeme186 on Feb 5, 2012 20:28:36 GMT
The (non-weather) delays experienced are, unfortunately, a symptom of running full services at the weekend. We simply do not have a robust level of train staff at the weekend as efforts are focused on weekday running. It has been this way for some years now, and shows no sign of being properly addressed. Yes last Sunday afternoon I was passing through Baker Street when the Station Control announced that both the 1619 and 1626 Uxbridge services were cancelled due to the non-availability of train operators. It reminded me somewhat of the mid 70's.
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Post by kabsonline on Feb 5, 2012 22:53:43 GMT
What happened to 21006? I saw it coming into Chalfont towards Aldgate at 15:51. I was doing some trainspotting around that area this afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 8:26:24 GMT
The (non-weather) delays experienced are, unfortunately, a symptom of running full services at the weekend. We simply do not have a robust level of train staff at the weekend as efforts are focused on weekday running. It has been this way for some years now, and shows no sign of being properly addressed. Yes last Sunday afternoon I was passing through Baker Street when the Station Control announced that both the 1619 and 1626 Uxbridge services were cancelled due to the non-availability of train operators. It reminded me somewhat of the mid 70's. The 1619 cant have been cancelled, im sure I was on it home! Got into Eastcote around 1650, so infact it must be it
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Post by citysig on Feb 6, 2012 15:20:17 GMT
21005/6 disgraced itself at Rickmansworth on 416D 15:47 AMS-ALD and was taken out of service and moved to Rickmansworth South Sidings I have been reliably informed that this had absolutely nothing to do with the train. A lack of available Train Operator was the reason it was removed from service.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 18:24:36 GMT
21005/6 disgraced itself at Rickmansworth on 416D 15:47 AMS-ALD and was taken out of service and moved to Rickmansworth South Sidings I have been reliably informed that this had absolutely nothing to do with the train. A lack of available Train Operator was the reason it was removed from service. Ohh right, thanks for the correction MC, I was wondering why the T/OP mentioned 'defect' in the announcement
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