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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2005 23:58:50 GMT
Okay, Rant [short - sort of] ahead.... Was on me way into work Monday [as you can see from the post time, I'm on lates -  ] Gets to certain Zone 1 station, and exits. I have a walk along a busy street in town and enter another Z1 station [lack of clues to protect the person at cause of this post and myself] Group of staff stand by barrier watching progress answering customer questions etc, so I go through the barrier. Just about to go down the escalator, when the person in question [an SS] bellows at me to return to the gateline. I walk back and ask him what he wants. He informs me rather quietly, that I am wearing too much jewellery, which does not present a good image to the customer. Okay, maybe ONE ring on my right hand and a hoop in each ear is too much [is it?] My own manager has no problem with it, I explain to the SS that I have seen other CSA's with untold hoops in each ear and ones that have more gold on thier hands than Ratners. I ask him what his problem is and he says he's gonna report me for Insubordination. Eek!!! Is he just being a pedantic misery guts? Dear me!!! And here's me thinking we were all friends on this 'ere combine! Or are some people just out to ruin your day? FWIW - I have removed the offending items in question.  |
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Post by Colin on Jun 28, 2005 0:18:42 GMT
I can think of a Station Supervisor that would fit the bill around the South Ken area - but you're right, keep their ID to yourself.  Obviously you were in uniform, but were you signed in and familiarised at the station concerned? If not, you are a member of the public, so He/She can only pull you up if you are doing something which is not safe. As your employing Manager is ok with your appearance, i'd tell where to :ooff!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2005 0:34:16 GMT
Quite: I was on my way to my booking on point - merely just passing through the station, minding my own business, in full uniform. I'm not in the stations side of things. Personally, I can't see what the problem is... I've read the Standards Delivery Folder which I was issused, which mentions the fact that 'jewellery' should be kept to a minimum and earrings should be small hoops [which they are - and I can see why - to stop punters grabbing them and causing injury]. I can see myself penning a letter to the union soon...but for the time being, I'll avoid that particular station in the future. But, thanks for positive comments/support anyway. I'll certainly bear in mind your closing comment!!!
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Post by q8 on Jun 28, 2005 1:05:23 GMT
Without making light of this I hope you fill in a report (In triplicate) ASAP to cover yourself and while memory is fresh. You may not need it but it's there if it is.
Personally discipline or not I would have raised my right arm and hollered "SIEG HEIL" and made HIM look small.
Insubordination?....never heard such b*llocks. The old saying is right "Give'em a big hat and they get a big head"
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Post by Dmitri on Jun 28, 2005 6:18:13 GMT
"Give'em a big hat and they get a big head" ...with a tiny brain  . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2005 9:19:04 GMT
Q8: I made a note of his name [from his badge] and fullest details possible in my notebook, immediately after the event. I had the idea of saying something like "Jawohl Mein Fuhrer", with the salute of course!!! ;D Insubordination  Someone look it up in a dictionary and remind me of it's correct term. ;D |
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Post by Admin Team on Jun 28, 2005 9:24:58 GMT
Personally I don't wear any jewellery (apart from a wrist watch) but, as stated, the standards are quite well defined.
That being said, I think (in common with most matters relating to uniform) 'train side' does seem to be more relaxed than the stations, so if you're own managers don't have a problem then fine.
I'd most definitely have told the person in question to 'go forth and multiply', if I'd responded with anything more than a two fingered gesture.
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Post by piccadillypilot on Jun 28, 2005 10:19:26 GMT
Insubordination Someone look it up in a dictionary and remind me of it's correct term. Definition insubordinate adjective DISAPPROVING (of a person) not willing to obey orders from people in authority, or (of actions and speech etc.) showing that you are not willing to obey orders: an insubordinate child insubordination noun DISAPPROVING
an act of insubordination
Several officers were arrested for insubordination.
Instead of the predictable "little Hitler" jibe, which he's almost certainly heard before (and would be insubordination), try asking him very quietly and very politely who it is he believes he's talking to whilst looking him straight in the eye. It very often makes people stop for a moment and reflect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2005 10:35:48 GMT
Perhaps I should get a ring in the nose?   I wonder what he'd say to that. I also wonder just what he was out to prove. The CSA staff he was with, had, during the short conversation I had with this bloke, gone elsewhere. Perhasps he felt that by picking on me, would give him the required 'lift' for the day, so he can think to himself "I'm big and am important. I'll certainly bear in mind your closing comment PP. |
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Post by q8 on Jun 28, 2005 15:19:23 GMT
Definition
insubordinate
adjective DISAPPROVING
(of a person) not willing to obey orders from people in authority, or (of actions and speech etc.) showing that you are not willing to obey orders:
an insubordinate child.
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By that definition young man you were not insubordinate as you had not been given an order so therefore could not disobey it.
All the guy can accuse you of is backchat and there was none of that either.
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Post by citysig on Jun 28, 2005 17:45:23 GMT
Reminds me of a supervisor that once covered Edgware Road when I was signalman there. He had a moan about me arriving on the station in jeans. There was the usual rally of "I'm not one of your staff" followed by "While on my station (my station ) you should be wearing full uniform." My reply was something along the lines of "I accept your views and your responsibilities. I accept you wish to run a tight ship. However, if you want to keep the station open and keep a service running for your customers (that word had just started) then I suggest you allow me to go and relieve my colleague before he shuts the cabin." He didn't say alot (mind you I had stopped listening) and I entered freely into the station, and I only recall seeing him once more, on which occasion he was fairly tight-lipped. |
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Post by igelkotten on Jun 29, 2005 0:32:59 GMT
Personally discipline or not I would have raised my right arm and hollered "SIEG HEIL" and made HIM look small. Yes, of course, a petty-minded station master is morally and ethically equivalent to an ideology and dicatorship that eventually gave rise to a war that caused some 56 million causalties. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2005 12:35:54 GMT
Saw him again yesterday, at same station; he recognised me alright, but he was surprisingly tight-lipped. And I never even took the matter further. Perhaps someone else 'up the ladder' heard him and followed it up? Looks like I win that point, for now... |
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Post by citysig on Aug 1, 2005 15:17:48 GMT
You never know, he might have joined here. The whole job could change if many more staff members (particularly those up the ladder) joined. Mind you there would be the danger of too many people "settling scores" with colleagues and telling their guv'nors what they think ;D
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] Gets to certain Zone 1 station, and exits. I have a walk along a busy street in town and enter another Z1 station [lack of clues to protect the person at cause of this post and myself] Group of staff stand by barrier watching progress answering customer questions etc, so I go through the barrier. Just about to go down the escalator, when the person in question [an SS] bellows at me to return to the gateline. I walk back and ask him what he wants. He informs me rather quietly, that I am wearing too much jewellery, which does not present a good image to the customer. Okay, maybe ONE ring on my right hand and a hoop in each ear is too much [is it?] My own manager has no problem with it, I explain to the SS that I have seen other CSA's with untold hoops in each ear and ones that have more gold on thier hands than Ratners. I ask him what his problem is and he says he's gonna report me for Insubordination. Eek!!! 
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Someone look it up in a dictionary and remind me of it's correct term. ;D
I wonder what he'd say to that. I also wonder just what he was out to prove. The CSA staff he was with, had, during the short conversation I had with this bloke, gone elsewhere. Perhasps he felt that by picking on me, would give him the required 'lift' for the day, so he can think to himself "I'm big and am important. I'll certainly bear in mind your closing comment PP. 
