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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 8:59:20 GMT
I should point out that if we need white route we'd be doing it in RM not CM.
Any driving inside Hainault or Rusilip depots is RM apart from the wash road at Hainault and up to the North Neck from there which is CM.
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Post by jardine01 on Jan 11, 2012 18:49:34 GMT
Imagine if you could use ATO in sidings! When I said the driver can stand up it was a overstatment! However don't drivers on the A stocks stand up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 18:57:36 GMT
Never been in either of the cab types, but from what I've seen from pictures and videos, they're quite different, A seems better to drive standing than sitting, while 92ts seems pretty much impossible to drive standing (atleast manually)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 19:47:00 GMT
Apologies Colin!!!
I've seen a few drivers who have stood on the right of the armrest and used their left had to operate the tbc, so it definitely is possible to drive standing up.
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Post by Colin on Jan 11, 2012 20:22:48 GMT
No need to apologise to me - I never said a driver couldn't drive standing up. That being said, though without the benefit of actually having driven a 92ts, I would imagine its not the easiest or most comfortable thing to try and do. To that end, I can certainly say with a fair degree of confidence that the chances of spotting a driver standing in the middle of the cab and manually driving a 92ts left handed are about as rare as a happy Christmas in eastenders.
And as for the comparison with A stock, that's like comparing Tesco with McDonald's. A stock is bigger and has two handles for starters.....and those handles, being positioned in front of the driver, are very different to single armrest based 92ts version.
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Post by Tom on Jan 11, 2012 20:33:23 GMT
In relation to using the RS visuals.............I believe they don't work if the ESP's (platform Emergency Stop Plungers) are operated. White route locking still works regardless and is therefore the favoured procedure. I'm open to correction but that's my understanding. Ah - I should have worked that one out! I'm surprised it's the favoured procedure... RS should be! After all, there may be a good reason why you can't get RS (such as an ESP having been operated for a real emergency).
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Post by superteacher on Jan 11, 2012 21:47:00 GMT
No need to apologise to me - I never said a driver couldn't drive standing up. That being said, though without the benefit of actually having driven a 92ts, I would imagine its not the easiest or most comfortable thing to try and do. To that end, I can certainly say with a fair degree of confidence that the chances of spotting a driver standing in the middle of the cab and manually driving a 92ts left handed are about as rare as a happy Christmas in eastenders.And as for the comparison with A stock, that's like comparing Tesco with McDonald's. A stock is bigger and has two handles for starters.....and those handles, being positioned in front of the driver, are very different to single armrest based 92ts version. Seen it once with a train coming out of Liverpool Street sidings. Not sure why he was doing it though! As for a happy Eastenders Christmas, that's another thing entirely! ;D
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Post by Colin on Jan 11, 2012 22:05:47 GMT
I'm surprised it's the favoured procedure... RS should be! After all, there may be a good reason why you can't get RS (such as an ESP having been operated for a real emergency). All I know is what I was told during my controller training at Wood Lane - if I was given a reason for their preference I'm afraid I've forgotten it
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Post by North End on Jan 12, 2012 0:15:05 GMT
No need to apologise to me - I never said a driver couldn't drive standing up. That being said, though without the benefit of actually having driven a 92ts, I would imagine its not the easiest or most comfortable thing to try and do. To that end, I can certainly say with a fair degree of confidence that the chances of spotting a driver standing in the middle of the cab and manually driving a 92ts left handed are about as rare as a happy Christmas in eastenders. And as for the comparison with A stock, that's like comparing Tesco with McDonald's. A stock is bigger and has two handles for starters.....and those handles, being positioned in front of the driver, are very different to single armrest based 92ts version. I can't speak for 92 stock, however it is physically possible to drive a 95 or 96 stock standing up, and I do know the 92 stock has a very similar cab layout which if anything is less spacious. There's three ways of driving these trains standing up - either standing up behind the chair, standing to the right of the chair (driving with right or left hand), or sitting sideways on the armrest. I find all three methods extremely uncomfortable, and there are potential risks as signals are designed to be optimally sighted from the driving position, and also various cab switches and buttons are positioned on the basis of being within reach from the seated position. Also, the OPO monitors and TMS are designed to be viewed from the seated position. That said, I know there are a very small handful (3 or 4) of Northern Line drivers who regularly or normally drive in these positions without issue. So it's physically possible, however definitely not desirable at all, hence the train should be changed over at the earliest opportunity even if this causes a service delay. In my opinion this should apply equally to the ATO lines, as there is always the possibility that the train may be required to be operated manually for a range of reasons. Note I am specifally referring to the 92, 95 and 96 stocks. The older stocks have a different driving position that is more suited to driving standing up. The 09 stock is a special case as it is designed to be operated from both sides. I'm not familiar with the S stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 22:31:31 GMT
I found it rather uncomfortable to stand up and drive... as the pedestal height is rather low compared to my stature. It would necessitate a slightly bent knees approach on the times I tried it and never lasted much longer than a minute... Tried sitting on the pedestal arm rest and again, was uncomfortable...
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