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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 3:03:50 GMT
Whilst reading a book about the Northern Line, I discovered that the building of several new stations on the High Barnet Branch was considered in the late 1930's. One possibility was a station between Totteridge & Whetstone and High Barnet. Another possibility was a station between East Finchley and Finchley Central, and the final possibility was a station between Mill Hill East, and Mill Hill (The Hale).
Does anyone know if any specific sites were proposed for these stations, or if there is any possibility of these stations (or any other new stations on the High Barnet Branch) being built.
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 29, 2011 16:40:35 GMT
From memory, I think there is a thread on this, 2006/2007 time I think.
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Post by alfie on Dec 29, 2011 18:55:01 GMT
I found a couple of threads about extensions, but none on extra stations in between existing ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 20:06:57 GMT
I couldn't find any threads about new stations on the existing line.
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Post by SE13 on Dec 29, 2011 20:08:23 GMT
I couldn't find any threads about new stations on the existing line. Me neither - There's some about proposed stations on the Northern Heights, but not existing lines that I can see. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 21:13:20 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the proposed stations on the existing High Barnet Branch?
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Post by mrjrt on Dec 30, 2011 14:38:27 GMT
Whilst reading a book about the Northern Line, I discovered that the building of several new stations on the High Barnet Branch was considered in the late 1930's. One possibility was a station between Totteridge & Whetstone and High Barnet. The obvious location would be Underhill, with a station joining the "Western Way" and "Cherry Hill". Another possibility was a station between East Finchley and Finchley Central, I can't really see a good case for this one as the stations are so close together....but the only real site with sufficient road access would be where the line and the North Circular cross. and the final possibility was a station between Mill Hill East, and Mill Hill (The Hale). I know that a station at Copthall for the sports facilities there was considered in the 1970s as a short extension of the MHE branch (which happens to be as far as is possible without demolishing the buildings between Page Street and the M1), and indeed might be being thrown around again due to Saracens move to there? Does anyone know if any specific sites were proposed for these stations, or if there is any possibility of these stations (or any other new stations on the High Barnet Branch) being built. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 15:35:59 GMT
The additional stations proposed in the New Works Programme are mentioned here (go to page 5). I'm sure they have been mentioned in London Railway Record - I'd need to look back through my collection to find it. |
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Post by alfie on Dec 30, 2011 17:34:40 GMT
Seems you were right about the North Circular one.
Thanks for those stonesfan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 19:42:26 GMT
Is there even the slightest possibility that any of these proposed stations will ever be.built?
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Post by Ben on Dec 30, 2011 21:29:22 GMT
Would have thought not. No money being the standard first line of rebuke, the second being the disbenefit of increased journey times. Of the top of my head I don't know what the gradients are for the area, but the supposed requirement for level platforms would add an unnecessary order of magnitude to any theoretical bill.
Leads to an interesting postulate though; what do people think will be the next new station opened on an existing LUL formation (most likely, instead of what they would personally want)?
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Post by alfie on Dec 30, 2011 21:33:14 GMT
Surrey Canal Road. Oh..LUL..
Battersea & Nine Elms extension, or Park Royal (for the Central) I say is most likely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 21:47:16 GMT
Either Park Royal on the Central Line, West Hampstead on the Metropolitan Line, or maybe even York Road on the Piccadilly Line.
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Post by castlebar on Dec 30, 2011 21:50:04 GMT
@ Alfie > Ben's question asked "on an existing LUL formation". You said Battersea and Nine Elms?? I don't think that qualifies somehow. A new station on the existing network without such an extension would be very unusual, so as you correctly say, Park Royal Central/Interchange is the clear candidate.
However, don't forget that Hillingdon Council have now submitted a proposal for Centrals to be diverted to UXB from Ruislip Gdns, and l doubt that LU/TfL would concede to both, (unfortunately, as both would cater for different needs). Both could be done and would have been by now but for the traditional concrete thinking of years gone by.
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Post by alfie on Dec 30, 2011 21:58:37 GMT
I was thinking York Road to.. castlebar, that's why I added in Park Royal  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 22:03:35 GMT
Don't forget West Hampstead Interchange. The Metropolitan Line doesn't stop there at the moment, but (if and) when it is built the Metropolitan Line will. York Road might be (re)built because it is near a major shopping development, but the station will cost a lot of money to reinstate, so I can't see it being built before 2020.
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Post by mrjrt on Dec 31, 2011 0:08:10 GMT
West Hampstead really, really needs to happen.
...though if you wanted to be facetious, Watford High Street and Watford Junction will be "New" Met line stations on a line that previously had a tube service operating over it...
I think Copthall would do well though, especially if you can get Saracens to stump up a large chunk of the costs to build it.
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 31, 2011 2:32:22 GMT
<ahem> can we stick to the subject, please?
Eventually this thread will be moved to historical - I have seen another list of proposed stations *somewhere*.
This thread is not for RIPAS-stylee imaginings - please start a fresh thread for those.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2011 9:58:31 GMT
I have started a thread where we can discuss new stations on existing lines. It is in 'Railway Ideas Proposals and Suggestions'.
Back to the original subject...does anyone know anything more about the proposed stations on the High Barnet Branch?
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Post by mikebuzz on Jan 1, 2012 23:00:02 GMT
I have started a thread where we can discuss new stations on existing lines. It is in 'Railway Ideas Proposals and Suggestions'. Back to the original subject...does anyone know anything more about the proposed stations on the High Barnet Branch? I remember reading about all 3 stations but don't have any definite info to add. I recall reading that the route between East Finchley and Fin Central stations was planned to be 4 tracks, along with Fin Central being rebuilt like East Finchley was. I also recall it being named as Finchley Manor. I think Mrjrt's location for 'Barnet Vale' is where it was proposed and 'Copthall' was at Page Street. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 2, 2012 0:11:01 GMT
I recall reading that the route between East Finchley and Fin Central stations was planned to be 4 tracks, along with Fin Central being rebuilt like East Finchley was. I also recall it being named as Finchley Manor. Interesting, never came across that in the researches for the Northern Heights book... Hmmm. OTOH, it *might* explain some of the odd spare levers being where they were in the frame; I shall have to have a revisit. |
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Post by mikebuzz on Jan 2, 2012 0:47:26 GMT
I recall reading that the route between East Finchley and Fin Central stations was planned to be 4 tracks, along with Fin Central being rebuilt like East Finchley was. I also recall it being named as Finchley Manor. Interesting, never came across that in the researches for the Northern Heights book... Hmmm. OTOH, it *might* explain some of the odd spare levers being where they were in the frame; I shall have to have a revisit. I have been searching for the information myself, hence my proviso that it was just from memory! We're not talking about the first flush of New Works here though so nothing definite. ISTR that the route would narrow to 2/3 tracks for a short distance unless the intervening station were signed off and that a Fin Central rebuild was a bit more definite. I hope you can dig something up Mr FS42. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 1:45:31 GMT
I am sure there were plans to rebuild Finchley Central with 4 platforms, and a new station building on an overbridge next to Ballards Lane. It got as far as a bit of digging at the northern end of the southbound platform, to turn it into an island. Then the war came and, after the war, LT could not get the funding to replace a station that had been working just fine since 1939.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 2, 2012 8:49:51 GMT
I am sure there were plans to rebuild Finchley Central with 4 platforms, and a new station building on an overbridge next to Ballards Lane. It got as far as a bit of digging at the northern end of the southbound platform, to turn it into an island. Then the war came and, after the war, LT could not get the funding to replace a station that had been working just fine since 1939. There were; I have copies of the scale signalling diagrams. With platform four commissioned (outer edge of SB platform) there was a need for an automatic signal in the middle of the SB platform as built. It was to be NQ 529. |
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Post by mikebuzz on Jan 2, 2012 17:43:13 GMT
What would be most interesting would be any architectural plans from the time as per Brockley Hill etc.
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Post by mrjrt on Jan 4, 2012 1:22:29 GMT
What would be most interesting would be any architectural plans from the time as per Brockley Hill etc. "Northern Wastes" by Jim Blake is your friend here. Just a couple of poor-quality images, but they're there. It also has the plans for High Barnet's rebuild (which also never happened). |
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Post by mikebuzz on Jan 5, 2012 13:59:39 GMT
What would be most interesting would be any architectural plans from the time as per Brockley Hill etc. "Northern Wastes" by Jim Blake is your friend here. Just a couple of poor-quality images, but they're there. It also has the plans for High Barnet's rebuild (which also never happened). Many thanks Mrjrt, one for the list. ISTR a website with a pic of a massive rebuilt High Barnet stn from c. late 40's. I wonder if it was the author's own website? |
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Post by mrjrt on Jan 5, 2012 20:17:32 GMT
"Northern Wastes" by Jim Blake is your friend here. Just a couple of poor-quality images, but they're there. It also has the plans for High Barnet's rebuild (which also never happened). Many thanks Mrjrt, one for the list. ISTR a website with a pic of a massive rebuilt High Barnet stn from c. late 40's. I wonder if it was the author's own website? ...a quick search throws up this, which is indeed the image of High Barnet from the book. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 5, 2012 23:27:12 GMT
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