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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 12:50:22 GMT
I have been working on the bogies for my Q Stock and have had few issues-I started with the Radley Models whitemetal bogie kits with Bachmann spoked wagon wheels however the axles of these wheels a to long for the bogies so I have had to come up with a Plan B.
I have a many spare Bachmann BR 1 bogies which run very freely, from my Class 501 conversions however the wheelbase is slightly longer than a Q Stock bogie. The difference is only noticeable on close inspection and therefore I have decided on to proceed in the following manner.
• Replace disk wheels with spoked wheels on Bachmann BR 1 bogies
• File sideframe detail off side of Bachmann BR1 bogies
• Use Radley bogie sideframes which are filed to a thinner profile and then glued to the sides of the Bachmann BR 1 bogies
• This does take time but will provide a better running on this stock.
I am thinking of using Kadee or similar type couplings to provide close coupling between the coaches - can anyone suggest the best type and should they be mounted on the coach underframe or on the bogie for best results?
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Post by metroland on Dec 26, 2011 17:21:02 GMT
I've been looking at converting stock to Kadees myself.
It looks like the most critical issue in getting them to work well is the height. ie they all have to be the same height above rail level, for which there is a Kadee tool you can buy for a few quid.
I guess the issue with your 501's is whether they will ever be coupled to anything else? If you are never going to couple them to anything other than 501's then use whatever position you think will work best with your adaptations.
If however, some will need to be 'rescued' by guest locos then it's probably best to standardise on the correct Kadee height above rail level and get all your converted stock to conform to this.
Ref the type, that's another problem area. A lot of guys swear by No5 and I don't have any yet. If you have NEM sockets which you can glue beneath the coaches then 17,18, 19, 20 are I think the ones to use. The only difference between these is the length of the shank (17 shortest, 20 longest) and the use of different lengths is dependent on the gap you want between coaches, and the tightest curves. ie the tighter the curve, the greater the risk of buffer lock, the longer the shank you need.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 17:57:40 GMT
Kadees are only for the Q Stock. The Class 501's only run a s 3 car units with a dummy 3 link on the cab ends
I will continue to use small tension lock s for non Underground stock with converter brake vans as when Underground stock is being towed.
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Post by metroland on Dec 26, 2011 18:58:17 GMT
Sorry I seem to have got mixed up part way through! If your Q set is a fixed rake then do you actually need Kadees? Maybe something like the Roco variants might be better? www.keen-systems.com/page2.html |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 19:05:23 GMT
Sorry I seem to have got mixed up part way through! If your Q set is a fixed rake then do you actually need Kadees? Maybe something like the Roco variants might be better? www.keen-systems.com/page2.htmlGood call Metroland I think I will go down this route. XF |
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Post by metman on Dec 26, 2011 22:18:05 GMT
I am finding the axles are too long on all the wheels, I need to bring it to his attention. I found the best way to do it was to drill the bearing hole deeper in the bogie side frames.
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Post by phillw48 on Dec 26, 2011 23:35:49 GMT
All axles nowadays on Bachman and Hornby rolling stock are the same length, IIRC 25mm.
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Post by metman on Dec 27, 2011 16:32:14 GMT
These are not Bachman or Hornby ones though. I'm not sure what they are to be honest but I used Romford types.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 8:15:17 GMT
I use the Hornby wheels as they are as good as and half the price of Romford ones. I add a small packing piece of plasticard or similar between the inner frame and the sides of the bogie. I also drill through and insert a piece of brass rod to help them stay in one piece. I'll email you some pics when I can get organised in the chaos that is my home life at the moment! The whitemetal bogies that Phil Radley supplies are for the motor bogies. The trailing bogies should be the K2 which is available as the resin kit already discussed here. Any news on metal replacements?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 8:58:31 GMT
The whitemetal bogies that Phil Radley supplies are for the motor bogies. The trailing bogies should be the K2 which is available as the resin kit already discussed here. Any news on metal replacements? Thanks Glyn, The whitemetal bogie kits I have from Phil are full kits for trailer bogies. I have resin frames for the powers bogies which are designed to be used with Tenshodo motor bogies so I will have to modify them as I use Black Beetles. I intend to experiment with my Bachmann,/Radley hybrid bogie this evening at my local model railway club. As the Q Stock will be running at Exhibitions in the future I need it to be reliable Thanks to all of you for your advice so far. XF |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 23:42:58 GMT
Made some hybrid Radley/Bachmann bogies this evening the opinion of the club members is that it they looked good.
When I have then fitted to the stock I will post some photos
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Post by roythebus on Dec 29, 2011 10:10:49 GMT
I used shortened Triang BR1 bogies under my Q23 kit and they look ok. I haven't fitted a motor yet.
The Q23 resin kit i have is a bit inaccurate according to the Skinley blueprint I have of the Q23, but it's easier to have something that looks right than to scratch build and have it right!.
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