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Post by charleyfarley on Dec 24, 2011 18:12:22 GMT
How much work would be involved to allow one or two of the late night Bakerloo services post-Midnight on New Year's Eve to be extended to Watford Junction, perhaps running back empty to Harrow & Wealdstone?
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 18:22:43 GMT
Laying of fourth rails, addition of CSDE, adding Harrow & W'stone to Watford Jnc on the DVA, (Unless it was never removed; the destination blind)... A lot of work. Actually, only the first one would be required.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 18:50:25 GMT
Yes, there is a bit of a lack of a centre conductor rail north of H&W!
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 18:56:45 GMT
Yes, there is a bit of a lack of a centre conductor rail north of H&W! It's still there in most places, albeit disconnected and dropped to sleeper level. I think Watford Junction was taken off the blind years ago. Remember that the 1972MkII stock went to the Jubilee in 1979, and then most went to the Northern for a bit. Therefore, the blinds would have been changed, and when they came back to the Bakerloo, there would have been no point in putting Watford back onto the blinds as the service has ceased by that time. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 19:20:58 GMT
Errm, when they came back to the Bakerloo they just put the old blinds back; they were in a financial crisis?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 19:24:01 GMT
Errm, when they came back to the Bakerloo they just put the old blinds back; they were in a financial crisis? I doubt it - the 72's left the Bakerloo in 1979, and the 1938's which were left didn't need blinds. When the 1959 stock began arriving at the start of 1983, they couldn't have used the old 72 blinds because they would have been the wrong size. So I doubt they were kept. Also, blinds can tear over an extended period of use, so even trains which didn't change lines had their blinds changed over the years. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 19:27:42 GMT
Errm, when they came back to the Bakerloo they just put the old blinds back; they were in a financial crisis? I doubt it - the 72's left the Bakerloo in 1979, and the 1938's which were left didn't need blinds. When the 1959 stock began arriving at the start of 1983, they couldn't have used the old 72 blinds because they would have been the wrong size. So I doubt they were kept. Also, blinds can tear over an extended period of use, so even trains which didn't change lines had their blinds changed over the years. 1959 stock on the Bakerloo/Jubilee in 1983? I doubt it. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 19:35:00 GMT
I doubt it - the 72's left the Bakerloo in 1979, and the 1938's which were left didn't need blinds. When the 1959 stock began arriving at the start of 1983, they couldn't have used the old 72 blinds because they would have been the wrong size. So I doubt they were kept. Also, blinds can tear over an extended period of use, so even trains which didn't change lines had their blinds changed over the years. 1959 stock on the Bakerloo/Jubilee in 1983? I doubt it. 1959 stock started to take over from 1938 stock in 1983 on the Bakerloo line. There's nothing to doubt - it happened. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 24, 2011 19:35:01 GMT
1959 stock on the Bakerloo/Jubilee in 1983? I doubt it. Bakerloo, certainly! |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 19:41:33 GMT
Is there photographic evidence of that?
(easy version to not cause unnecessary headaches; any pictures?)
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 20:18:32 GMT
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 20:29:29 GMT
Ok, I believe you know. What would have happened if the 83ts was built for the Bakerloo and the Jubilee stayed with it's originally intended 72TS MkII.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 20:36:02 GMT
Ok, I believe you know. What would have happened if the 83ts was built for the Bakerloo and the Jubilee stayed with it's originally intended 72TS MkII. You should have believed me when I first said it. There is an absolute wealth of knowledge on District Dave and sometimes you should more readlily accept what others say! As for your question about 72's and 83's, who knows? The 83's would have begun replacing the 38's, and I suppose the Jubilee would nave kept the 72's until the 1996 stock replaced them. Howver, the Jubilee line, being a new line, got the new stock instead. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 20:40:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 21:27:18 GMT
A lot of the DC track near Watford has being recently relayed and the remaining 4th rail has been removed. Bonding the running wheels to the negative return would be one potential answer to the Bakerloo working north of Harrow & Wealdstone.
The Croxley Link project will see the 4th rail restored between Watford High Street Junction and Watford Junction so the 4th rail gap in the future will only be between Watford High Street Junction and Harrow & Wealdstone in the future!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 24, 2011 22:31:18 GMT
Bonding the running wheels to the negative return would be one potential answer to the Bakerloo working north of Harrow & Wealdstone. Would probably cause a flash an'-a-bang when on the LU section ! |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 24, 2011 22:38:03 GMT
Or just remove H&W and everything between it and Watford High Street, introduce faster trains on the Bakerloo which just might reach the fourth rail at WHS. I propose speeds of 62mph+.
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Post by SE13 on Dec 24, 2011 22:40:43 GMT
Or just remove H&W and everything between it and Watford High Street, introduce faster trains on the Bakerloo which just might reach the fourth rail at WHS. I propose speeds of 62mph+. Can I have a pint of whatever you're drinking as well please.... |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 22:44:23 GMT
Or just remove H&W and everything between it and Watford High Street, introduce faster trains on the Bakerloo which just might reach the fourth rail at WHS. I propose speeds of 62mph+. Can I have a pint of whatever you're drinking as well please.... And me! ;D |
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Post by Tom on Dec 25, 2011 0:36:41 GMT
Errm, when they came back to the Bakerloo they just put the old blinds back; they were in a financial crisis? The 1972TS blinds were changed a few years ago, and the blinds that were removed weren't the originals either. |
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Post by alfie on Dec 25, 2011 1:38:35 GMT
At 100kph it might just make it past the H&W siding, knowing how rubbish the 72ts are. Need maybe 200mph to reach Watford High Street..373s on the DC line ;D Now where did they put those 3rd rail shoes..?
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Post by Phil on Dec 25, 2011 7:42:23 GMT
Errm, when they came back to the Bakerloo they just put the old blinds back; they were in a financial crisis? 1959 stock on the Bakerloo/Jubilee in 1983? I doubt it. Is there photographic evidence of that? (easy version to not cause unnecessary headaches; any pictures?) |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 25, 2011 9:00:43 GMT
Ok, I believe you know. What would have happened if the 83ts was built for the Bakerloo and the Jubilee stayed with it's originally intended 72TS MkII. There are some tight curves on the Bakerloo. Would the longer 83TS cars, with their greater swept area, have fitted? |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 25, 2011 9:37:49 GMT
I'm not sure. The original 83ts also didn't fit in the Jubilee tunnels, and I think Northern tunnels had to be widened (again) for the 95ts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2011 10:07:24 GMT
I'm not sure. The original 83ts also didn't fit in the Jubilee tunnels, and I think Northern tunnels had to be widened (again) for the 95ts. Wrong on both counts. Again. We're watching your stupid posts. Phil has already warned you above. |
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 26, 2011 11:25:46 GMT
Before the 95ts started operating some of the tunnel rings had to be ground down a whisker. I spent a few nights watching sparks fly in the tunnels between Warren St and Goodge St.
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