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Post by charleyfarley on Dec 21, 2011 19:10:05 GMT
I happened to notice today that WJHL has no DC track yet the stock which once served the station (Class 501) was DC stock. What happened? If there was DC at the station now, Stratford-Clapham Junction services could change over power supply while standing in the station as opposed to drifting to a stop in the middle of nowhere (between Willesden Junction and Shepherd's Bush) to change over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 21:18:09 GMT
Since the Class 501's and class 416/3 EMU's were withdrawn from service on the former NLL services (now Overground)the Class 313 and later Class 378 EMU’s which subsequently have worked the line have been dual voltage units (there is also a DC only variant of the Class 378 which work as far as Highbury & Islington over the much extended East London line section of the Overground from New Cross, Crystal Palace and West Croydon and eventually Clapham Junction).
This coupled with the upgrading of the line for both electrically powered freight (well sometimes!) and the aborted Eurostar services to the North of England and Scotland services created a need for a 25KV supply along the length o the former NLL line to Stratford.
DC power is still in situ from Richmond to the Gunnersbury area and the District Line shares the same track from Gunnersbury to Richmond.
As there is no requirement for DC operation on the NLL from the just east of Gunnersbury on the Stratford service the third rail is no longer required and most if not all has been lifted. There is some 3rd rail on the connection from Willesden LL to east of Willesden HLL, as the Euston – Watford line is still 3rd rail with a section of dual voltage track just outside Euston.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 8:40:42 GMT
As there is no requirement for DC operation on the NLL from the just east of Gunnersbury on the Stratford service the third rail is no longer required and most if not all has been lifted. The third rail runs to Acton Central where the changeover to AC takes place during the station stop. Andy
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Post by charleyfarley on Dec 22, 2011 10:56:59 GMT
Stratford-Clapham Junction services don't serve Acton Central.
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Post by causton on Dec 22, 2011 11:40:33 GMT
Stratford-Richmond ones do though!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 12:41:35 GMT
As there is no requirement for DC operation on the NLL from the just east of Gunnersbury on the Stratford service the third rail is no longer required and most if not all has been lifted. The third rail runs to Acton Central where the changeover to AC takes place during the station stop. Andy Thanks Andy I was not sure about this to be honest XF
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:20:40 GMT
Long live the 3rd rail with 501's and 2EPB's!
I have fond memories of a trip into Central London. I think it was 1987. We saw a parade on the River Thames from the South Bank, then made our way to Tower Gateway for a trip over the new DLR to Island Gardens and then to Stratford. To get back to Twickenham we took a 2EPB from Stratford Low Level all the way to Richmond. My god how Stratford has changed since then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:42:54 GMT
Long live the 3rd rail with 501's and 2EPB's Irish Underground. Only in model form I am afraid though my 2EPB does only make the occasional appearance on my layout now XF
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:48:35 GMT
Just how I remember them (though your missing the window bars - sorry to nit pick).
Maybe straying off topic, but did the 501's ever operate to Richmond as 6 cars? It might answer a question I have in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 1:04:56 GMT
Just how I remember them (though your missing the window bars - sorry to nit pick). Maybe straying off topic, but did the 501's ever operate to Richmond as 6 cars? It might answer a question I have in my head. The Class 416/3 was fitted with window bars soon after this photo was taken. Below is a photo of it on my Croxley WRD layout at our first show; no 3rd/4th rail and not much scenery at that time with the Class 416/3 fitted with window bars Six car Class 501's worked the Watford/Croxley Green -Broad Street services. The Richmond line did see 6 car LMS Comportment and Oerlikon/Siemens workings and I understand that Class 501 6 cars ran until 1962 when they were cut to a single 3 car unit. I cannot remember seeing a photo of a 6 car Class 501 south of Willesden Junction though. XF
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 10:07:43 GMT
The last time a 6 car Class 501 ran to Richmond was a particular day when a pair visited Horsham which is well south of Willesden Jcn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 11:42:45 GMT
The last time a 6 car Class 501 ran to Richmond was a particular day when a pair visited Horsham which is well south of Willesden Jcn. I forgot that one and the photos are on my website XF
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 11:57:52 GMT
The Stratford to Clapham service is only a recent thing. Until the early 90s the service was a rush hour only diesel from Clapham to Kenny O. When the line was electrified as part of the Channel Tunnel works I think the 'Kenny Belle' briefly became a 455 until the service was incorporated into the NLL timetable and became a 313 duty from Willesden High Level. The changeover from 3rd rail to overhead is south of North Pole Junction.
While on my 'juice' course at Waterloo I travelled up early one morning to video the 'Kenny Belle' while it was still in the hands of a DEMU. I filmed an arrival and departure at Clapham and Kenny and then the kind Driver allowed me to film the view from the cab on each way of the journey. This was in mid-93. I really must get round to having the footage digitised..... along with the film I have of 'The Drain' with Southern stock, the cab-ride I filmed on the East Putney to Wimbledon line from the Channel Tunnel test train etc., etc,, etc!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 12:09:15 GMT
When I was a wee lad I do remember the 501's at Richmond. I probably did travel on them but not sure. But they always seemed to be big trains and if I recall correctly stretched out to near the road overbridge at the end of Richmond Station. Then the 2EPB's appeared and they were rather smaller to the 501's before them.
I would have loved to be on that 501 tour. Pity I was only 4 years old.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 24, 2011 12:45:34 GMT
the Kenny belle was a 33+TC for many years - the set then formed the front half of the daily hybrid Waterloo-Yeovil/Eastleigh service (33+TC+8VEP to Basingstoke). Later it was briefly a 73+TC turn before 455s took over after the line was electrified to North Pole for the Eurostars. When the service was extended to Willesden it was operated by class 117 diesels until an ac connection into Willesden was installed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 22:17:15 GMT
I had forgotten about the 117s.... Senior moment!
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Post by roythebus on Dec 27, 2011 10:39:35 GMT
The Kenny Belle was also 508 operated for a while, I travelled in the cab one January morning.
I don't remember ever seeing 6 car 501s on the Richmond service.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 10:52:00 GMT
The Kenny Belle was also 508 operated for a while, I travelled in the cab one January morning. . Was this for the full journey from Clapham Jct to Willesden HLL or just Olympia? XF
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 27, 2011 14:25:05 GMT
The Kenny Belle was also 508 operated for a while, I travelled in the cab one January morning. . Although they started on the Souyh Western, the 508s had all moved to Merseyside by 1983, and the Kenny Belle was not electrified until 1993. Some of them found their way south (to Connex Southeastern, Silverlink, and Southern) from 1996 omwards, but they couldn't have worked north of North pole as they are dc only.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 14:37:28 GMT
The Kenny Belle was also 508 operated for a while, I travelled in the cab one January morning. . Although they started on the Souyh Western, the 508s had all moved to Merseyside by 1983, and the Kenny Belle was not electrified until 1993. Some of them found their way south (to Connex Southeastern, Silverlink, and Southern) from 1996 omwards, but they couldn't have worked north of North pole as they are dc only. That is what I thought it must have been a Class 313. XF
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 27, 2011 15:40:19 GMT
Although they started on the South Western, the 508s had all moved to Merseyside by 1983, and the Kenny Belle was not electrified until 1993. Don't forget they left their TSO for the 455/7s.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 27, 2011 18:25:54 GMT
Although they started on the South Western, the 508s had all moved to Merseyside by 1983, and the Kenny Belle was not electrified until 1993. Don't forget they left their TSO for the 455/7s. You can't ride in the cab of a TSO!
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