Need help with InterCity coaches

They are both Hornby coaches

R724 B.R Inter City 2nd Coach BSK and Hornby R4113 BR Mk1 Sleeper

With regards to repainting - I suggest using acrylics as you can brush paint them on and get good results.

There are 2 main sources for these Railmatch or Citadel Paints which are available from any Games Workshop; take the coach with you and you will find good match in their range.

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You may well need to paint out the whole section as the paint may not be a 100% match, I've painted quite a few of these into a variety of liveries.

Thanks for the help everyone.

What kind of units would you normally find hauling these coaches? Class 37s?

I'm going to Games Workshop tomorrow and find a paint to sort it out. Shouldn't be too difficult right?

As early mark 2s, and mark 1 sleepers all had dual heating (steam and electric) almost any diesel from Type 2 upwards could work with them in theory. The sleepers on the WCML ran with Class 81-86 electrics, with Classes 26 or 27 taking them on to Inverness and Fort William. The ECML used class 47s or Deltics, with class 31s on the Leeds sleeper (which was primarily a newspaper train but had one or two sleeping cars). The GW was usually 47s, although no doubt "Westerns" might also be used.

A 37 might be used beyond Swansea on the West Wales portion of the sleeper, but is otherwise unlikely on a sleeper. Indeed, outside East Anglia, Class 37s were rare on passenger work in the "BR blue" era. A 37 is particularly unlikely for your day coach,. as its "M" prefix signifies the London Midland region, which did not have an allocation of Class 37s.

Most sleepers included some day stock, (used by people like me as an impecunious student with a preference for not booking ahead) and often with a high proportion of brake vehicles such as your BFK as they were primarily for newspaper traffic. However, they were more usually elderly mark 1 coaches, rather than the more modern mark 2s, which were more likely to be found on day services. Particularly useful was the fact that most of them were compartment stock - very popular with overnight passengers, as you could usually find an empty compartment and bed down for the night.

M14052 was an early Mark 2 (i.e. not mark 2a, 2b, etc) BFK (corridor brake first), so your carriage should have the yellow cantrail stripe to indicate a first class car. All mark 2-2d first class were corridor coaches, while second class were open - Mark 2e and 2f were open in both first and second. It was built in 1966

2510 was a second class sleeper (11 twin berths - the twelfth window on the non-corridor side is the steward's compartment)

If the two ever worked in the same train, the "M" prefix on the day coach makes it most likely to have been on Euston to Scotland overnight services, which until 1974 were electrically hauled from Euston to the limit of electrification at Crewe and diesel from there. From 1974 the Euston to Glasgow Central sleeper ran electrically hauled throughout, but the Highland sleeper (for Inverness/Ft William) changed locos at Mossend Yard.

Hope this helps

Thanks everyone for the help. Unfortunately I have still not been able to fix up the coaches because I bought the wrong colour paint. Checked the Humbrol website and didn't know that they have a specific paint for InterCity coaches. Will be getting that soon.

I guess I'll start doing that when I gain some more experience in all this. I think that just for now, as a novice in resprays, I'll simply buy the correct paint .

Be careful with that, I've never tried it but the brake fluid option may damage the coach. Good luck, let me know how you go as I'm looking to do a similar thing.

There are other paint removers designed to removepaint from plastic. They have been mentioned on forums such as Britmodeller and RMweb, RMweb has problems at the moment and is unlikely to be back until after Christmas. Whatever you do don't use brake fluid.

Modelstrip does the job

www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/modelstrip-modelstrip/

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