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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 10:16:10 GMT
Tried to get on an S-stock train at Eastcote yesterday evening and the doors on the fourth carriage from the front failed to open. As far as we could tell, all the other doors in all the other cars did open.
We had to dash for the next carriage and get on that one, but sat in the offending carriage and noticed that the doors did open at the next two stations. We got out of the train at Ruislip with no problems.
Would that have been a driver error or a technical fault? Presumably the driver doesn't open the doors on each carriage individually?
As we met some neighbours on the train and were deep in conversation, I forgot to note down the stock number of the offending car.
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Post by kabsonline on Dec 5, 2011 10:44:14 GMT
I was on a train with the same problem a couple of months ago. Isn't it to do with how the driver lines the train up to the platform?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 14:07:43 GMT
It was the fourth car from the front, as we spotted our neighbours on that one and so headed for it. Not sure the driver has much choice where that one ends up!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 15:52:53 GMT
Not T/Op error, problem with the train communicating with the CSDE equipment and/or vice versa. Northwick Park on the North seems to be another that suffers from this.
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Post by jardine01 on Dec 5, 2011 16:04:50 GMT
I wish they would get these silly problems sorted out what is it with Bombardier for problems with doors? Or LU need to fix the CSDE software system.
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Post by kabsonline on Dec 5, 2011 17:17:28 GMT
Also if the train is not lined up to the exact centremeter to the platform, don't some of the doors not open then? If that's right, what doors are they?
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Post by causton on Dec 5, 2011 23:19:06 GMT
Depending on how bad the alignment is, it is usually the first 2 doors and last 2 doors, or the whole first carriage and last carriage. I believe it is also the whole first and last car if the driver overrides the system (i.e. if the CSDE loop is broken or they can't be bothered shuffling the train back and forth  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 10:19:43 GMT
the whole first carriage and last carriage. I believe it is also the whole first and last car if the driver overrides the system It's more than that, it's the first and last 4 sets of doors, which means not only the front and rear cars, but also the next set in the adjacent car to both!! |
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Post by causton on Dec 6, 2011 20:23:51 GMT
Oops, thought there were 4 per car! Need to spend less time looking at the nice moquette and more at the doors  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 22:01:15 GMT
... or they can't be bothered shuffling the train back and forth ) Can the T/Ops really move the train backwards? Or, indeed, are they allowed to with passengers on board? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 22:23:57 GMT
Ive seen it happen, I think it may have just been rolling back though
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Post by causton on Dec 6, 2011 22:41:45 GMT
I was going to say, the one time I saw it happen I think the platform was on a gradient - don't know if there's a small tolerance (e.g. 1-2m) where drivers are allowed to move back (either under gravity or under motive power) and when it becomes a full blown WDM!
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 7, 2011 15:22:55 GMT
Gravity? Doesn't that activate the runback protection?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 16:46:44 GMT
I was going to say, the one time I saw it happen I think the platform was on a gradient - don't know if there's a small tolerance (e.g. 1-2m) where drivers are allowed to move back (either under gravity or under motive power) and when it becomes a full blown WDM! Short answer is NO. Long answer is still NO but under certain procedures it is possible to either 'set back' up to one car or perform a full wrong direction movement for as far as is necessary. Neither of these can be done by the driver independently, the Controller must be informed and other staff involved as required. Hope that answers the question. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 18:02:54 GMT
Didn't think you could use the new set back rule with the S stock by virtue the driver can't reverse the train unless a button is pressed in the rear cab.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2011 18:53:56 GMT
We had an issue at Amersham a few weeks back when on an S Stock. We pulled into the station, everyone was stood up waiting to get off......
We waited............
And waited.................
"Ladies & Gents, sorry for the delay, the doors take a while to open but they should open shortly"
After around 30-40 seconds they finally opened and we got off. Very strange.
We also had issues with the same train at HOTH. We were in the last car and got the announcement of "The rear set of doors will not open at this station" This was repeated a few times. The train got to the station........and the doors opened.
What an earth is going on?
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 12, 2011 18:58:17 GMT
On many videos involving the S stock it takes centuries for the doors to open.
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