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Post by alex92ts on Nov 27, 2011 19:31:18 GMT
I've always wondered, why don't DLR stations have ticket barriers?
Surely it would reduce fare evasion?
Also I think it would be more useful to passengers. I know many people who have forgotten to touch in/out and a huge amount of money taken off their Oysters, or a penalty fare given to them.
It did happen to me the other day. Was travelling from Stratford International to Loughton, and at Stratford Intl I topped up my Oyster but forgot to touch in! Once I got to Loughton, I had something like £6.50 taken off my Oyster. I know it was my fault, but would there be any chance of getting some of my money back if I sent TfL an email? I doubt I would though as I suppose I was (unintentionally) fare evading.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 19:58:48 GMT
I think it's because the stations are unstaffed, and gate-lines have to have a member of staff available at all times I believe. I also read somewhere in a TfL press release that the DLR has a really low level of fare evasion so the cost of barriers doesn't make financial sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 20:10:08 GMT
I know it was my fault, but would there be any chance of getting some of my money back if I sent TfL an email? I doubt I would though as I suppose I was (unintentionally) fare evading. Call the Oyster helpline for a refund.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 27, 2011 21:20:45 GMT
Wouldn't be financially justifiable. DLR has ticket barriers, but only at stations shared with NR (WWA, Stratford) and LU (West Ham, Bank, Stratford), I think.
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Post by alfie on Nov 27, 2011 21:46:57 GMT
I couldn't find the ticket barrier when interchanging Canary Wharf DLR - Jubilee, and thus had no money for the fare home, explained it to the guy at the ticket office and he refunded my incomplete journey. Lubbly Jubbly.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 28, 2011 16:27:11 GMT
They should place more of those 'things', whatever they're called, at logical locations. I like the locations at Custom House. Very visible... but at some stations they're terrible.
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Post by trt on Nov 29, 2011 15:26:01 GMT
"Things"? You mean meat bags? ;-)
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 29, 2011 16:37:42 GMT
Yea right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 18:04:39 GMT
Hello again.
Just visiting home land again from our Beckton house. Saw these comments. Yes definitely, these DLR machines cost us quite a lot of money. We know where they are now but our visitors, who we give Oyster cards to, regularly leave them with incompleteness on them where the fine seems to go up by a huge amount every year.
Someone probably here wrote that when the touch machines were put in, not original with the railway being built, they were put where there was convenient electricity, not at all where it was convenient for the passengers. And is true, on the Underground the machines are put right in your way and you cannot avoid them, on the DLR it is to the opposite, they are put out of the way, at least on one side. Worst of all, stupidly, is at the airport where you get all the visitors arriving and the touch machine hidden behind the pillar. At our own station, you pass the ticket machine, then to lift (such as visitors with big cases going back to Heathrow), you never even see the touch machine because there isn't one going that way at all.
Visitors cannot understand why when they change at Canning Town to Underground they do not need to touch Oysters, but at Canary Wharf they think the same then after all that walking they have to touch again at the Underground to get in through gates and I find months later a fine on the Oyster.
Then the DLR put in new ticket machines maybe two years ago which cannot show your journeys, not like the ones on the Underground, why not, so if like us your journeys are most or all on the DLR you never know you have been fined except to find the money is suddenly gone. It costs us so much money to top up again. I know that you can ask at the tickets office on the Underground but the only ones we see always seem to have 10 minutes queues and once I asked I was sent away again.
I think all the managers have the passes and so never have to pay and so never see their money being taken this way all wrongly.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Nov 29, 2011 18:17:38 GMT
At least the Custom House ones are pretty obvious.. but behind pillars are just plain wrong. Maybe TfL is just trying to cash quickly.. although the DLR has the PSA often checking tickets, which is pretty fast...
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Post by alex92ts on Nov 29, 2011 18:57:16 GMT
Also, forgot to mention this in the original post. My mum was travelling on the DLR, and forgot to touch in, so she recieved the £25 fine. She appealed, but lost, and she appealed a second time and managed to avoid paying the fine.
Btw, going back to my problem, I did go to the ticket office and they gave me my money back which was a relief.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 17:22:35 GMT
I think it's because the stations are unstaffed, and gate-lines have to have a member of staff available at all times I believe. I also read somewhere in a TfL press release that the DLR has a really low level of fare evasion so the cost of barriers doesn't make financial sense. How can anybody possibly know what the level of fare evasion is when ticket checks are so few and far between? There would have to be at least one member of staff at each station though if ticket gates were installed so it clearly isn't viable.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Dec 1, 2011 20:01:28 GMT
Unstaffed gate lines have proven to be a disaster in Rotterdam
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 16:43:28 GMT
Unstaffed gate lines have proven to be a disaster in Rotterdam I'm not suprised, what happens in an emergency if the station has to be evacuated or somebody gets caught in the gates as they close? And of course ticketless yobs will just vault them anyway with no staff presence.
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