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Post by kabsonline on Nov 3, 2011 19:56:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 20:17:47 GMT
Yes - OK - never mind railway safety.
Am minded to use the phrase "treehuggers" !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 20:53:24 GMT
What do they actually need to do to the Embankment?
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Post by kabsonline on Nov 3, 2011 20:56:47 GMT
I think it needs stabalising. Its been done further down the line nearer to Amersham Station. I'm under the belief that the whole embankment between Amersham and Chalfont is being done. The work that has been down has caused the removal of all the trees and a new fence to be installed plus all the stabalising work.
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Post by castlebar on Nov 3, 2011 21:13:30 GMT
I was always under the impession that trees stabilised embankments. One of the reasons being given for 'Southern' not increasing services on the Horsham - Dorking line is that "having cut down the trees to reduce leaf fall, the embankment has now become unstable". Odd how contradictory some statements can be in order to serve the objective of the moment. Personally, having a little knowledge on this subject, I suspect that reducing leaf fall is the true objective, but that is insufficient reason for felling orders to be granted. Therefore, a different reason has been thought up,
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Post by Ben on Nov 3, 2011 21:21:47 GMT
Its an interesting topic. As has been alluded to on here previously, embankment design and construction nowadays is different to how, perhaps, some might view yesteryears work.
Whereas once upon a time various plants, trees and shrubs were planted on embankments at different levels (etc) to aid in stablisation naturally through root systems and moisture control, nowadays this approach is far more limited.
On top of that, post steam many embankments maintenance regimes were streamlined, as the risk from hot coals and cinders starting trackside fire had disapered.
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Post by aldenham on Nov 3, 2011 22:23:55 GMT
Wishing to remain fairly dispassionate about this and feeling there is a degree of NIMBYism going on I then remembered that I went past Amersham Audi a couple of weeks ago where the embankment works have already been done, and I thought to myself at the time "My God that looks ugly!". So on balance if I was backing on to it, I don't know how happy I would be.
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Post by redsetter on Nov 3, 2011 23:01:40 GMT
"I also think the trees also provide some protection from derailment" earlier in the year they were lucky not not cause one.trees don't offer any protection against noise they were heavily planted outside here facing a road that's only increased in traffic and grown rapidly over ten years',yes they do screen but that's only seasonal,trains go by so quickly there isn't time to have any effect on privacy.what is common in that area are preservation orders on trees but experience from the past is blocked gutters and weeks of clearing up leaves.i wouldn't have them close again. its not the first time this has come up. amersham.buckinghamshireadvertiser.co.uk/2010/04/tree-felling-along-met-line-de.html
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Post by metman on Nov 3, 2011 23:11:36 GMT
Yes, how bad do they think the track is!!!
Parking for vehicles is probably the biggest concern here!
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Post by knap on Nov 4, 2011 9:39:08 GMT
The railway was there before the houses and in fact if the railway had not been built, then Little Chalfont would not exist (probably!).
From my memory, trees have grown quite large over fairly recent years, so removing some is only like making it as it used to be.
I think I read somewhere that the embankments in the area have different angle of slopes (sure that is not a correct technical description) which means they can be more unstable than other embankments, hence the need to make them stable.
Yes, the work around Black Horse Bridge does tend to stick out a lot now, but its a railway, you can't really hide it. I am sure some vegetation will grow back to soften the view in time.
This type of work has been done in many places along the line. The good people of Moor Park could not stop it!
I also live in Amersham and accept this work has to happen. If I had a house right by the railway I expect I would be annoyed, BUT I would have known the railway was there and thus would expect the consequences of living by the railway.
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Post by kabsonline on Nov 4, 2011 9:46:09 GMT
I would love to live next to the railway without any trees obstructing the view. Maybe thats because I'm just a train spotter though!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 18:29:00 GMT
they are currently chopping down everY tree from watford south juction to croxley stn. ITS SHOCKING TO SEE.
THE WONDERFUL WALL OF GREEN ALONG THE CUTTING HAS GONE. Not good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 18:33:38 GMT
The Met really is going down the plughole in this 'upgrade plan'
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Post by castlebar on Nov 7, 2011 18:56:43 GMT
As l said earlier, Southern are citing potential embankment collapse twixt Dorking & Horsham CAUSED BY killing the trees as the reason for not being able to improve that service. It doesn't make sense that another rail company is killing the trees in order to strengthen the embankments. They killed the trees off to save money on leaf fall. One cannot help but wonder about possible hidden agendas................
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Post by redsetter on Nov 7, 2011 19:21:03 GMT
i agree this plan together with the service changes is to controversial,if they try cutting their way down to chesham they'll be uproar.the residents are easily shocked.having said that when that tree landed across the line it looked there may have been a sharp dip in the picture if there was a derailment. www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5752207112/in/photostream/
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