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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 10:35:14 GMT
1. When is most of the S stock out?
2. Do they only enter service at peak times?
3. Do they not run in the evenings?
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Post by graeme186 on Oct 26, 2011 11:12:23 GMT
1. When is most of the S stock out? 2. Do they only enter service at peak times? 3. Do they not run in the evenings? There are now 19 S Stock trains commissioned for passenger service on the Metropolitan Line which means that over a third of the service at all times of the week is now in the hands of these new trains. |
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Post by citysig on Oct 26, 2011 11:18:35 GMT
Well, in theory anyway  We are currently suffering some issues which have affected the availability of the stock. Basically, we are now in a position to have more or less any train formed of either A or S stock, so it's a case of lucky dip. There is no time of day guaranteed when there will be more S-stock, but obviously we run more trains in the peaks, so there will always be more chance to see them. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 26, 2011 11:24:44 GMT
Speaking of which, the minor delays atm due to faulty trains (notice the plural), where were they, and what stock were they?
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Post by kabsonline on Oct 26, 2011 16:28:25 GMT
If you travel at any time at the moment your bound to see at least one or two S Stocks.
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Post by citysig on Oct 26, 2011 22:13:39 GMT
Speaking of which, the minor delays atm due to faulty trains (notice the plural), where were they, and what stock were they? A mixture of stocks and minor faults which unfortunately all happened to coincide with each other, and caused extended intervals in the service. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 7:21:06 GMT
Speaking of which, the minor delays atm due to faulty trains (notice the plural), where were they, and what stock were they? A mixture of stocks and minor faults which unfortunately all happened to coincide with each other, and caused extended intervals in the service. Any trains that have been taken out on the late shift this week have mostly been S stocks, and mostly hardware faults as well! ;D ;D |
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Post by citysig on Oct 27, 2011 9:52:29 GMT
;D I was just trying to recall the A-stocks we've taken out to give a fair and balanced view... ... however, from memory there appears to be only 1 A-stock at around 2100 on Tuesday - and that was for a Connect Radio fault, so not truly a fault with the train itself. Oh dear...  ;D |
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Post by a60 on Oct 27, 2011 19:35:27 GMT
So, if maintenance is (supposedly) being wound down on the A Stock, it must be doing some good.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 27, 2011 21:17:33 GMT
;D I was just trying to recall the A-stocks we've taken out to give a fair and balanced view... ... however, from memory there appears to be only 1 A-stock at around 2100 on Tuesday - and that was for a Connect Radio fault, so not truly a fault with the train itself. Oh dear... ;D Looks like someone has been trying to come up with an excuse... the A stock has breakdowns, but they are mostly related to non-driving equipment, apparently. The S stock appears to have a breakdown about every 2 days.. driving related it seems. |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2011 21:22:41 GMT
;D I was just trying to recall the A-stocks we've taken out to give a fair and balanced view... ... however, from memory there appears to be only 1 A-stock at around 2100 on Tuesday - and that was for a Connect Radio fault, so not truly a fault with the train itself. Oh dear... ;D Looks like someone has been trying to come up with an excuse... the A stock has breakdowns, but they are mostly related to non-driving equipment, apparently. The S stock appears to have a breakdown about every 2 days.. driving related it seems. And can you imagine how bad it would be if we'd left the S stock replacement programme for another 5 years! The A stocks would be dropping like flies by then! The S stock will get better, but may get worse before then. All part of the bedding in process. The 2009 stock on the Victoria line is still bedding in, even though all of the 67 stock have been gone for 4 months now. |
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Post by citysig on Oct 27, 2011 21:49:44 GMT
I can't say too much you understand, but I'm afraid to say a large number of S-stocks are not suffering "bedding-in" problems.
Despite my earlier optimism for the stock, and despite defending it at every corner, I am now becoming increasingly concerned about the future. Let us hope my concerns are unfounded.
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Post by a60 on Oct 27, 2011 21:56:30 GMT
I think (x) amount of double-ender A Stock should be kept back as contingency units until ATO rolls out.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2011 21:58:44 GMT
I think (x) amount of double-ender A Stock should be kept back as contingency units until ATO rolls out. ATO will not be for several years! |
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Post by citysig on Oct 28, 2011 8:44:38 GMT
I think (x) amount of double-ender A Stock should be kept back as contingency units until ATO rolls out. There will be 2 for a while yet - albeit for use as RATs. I doubt they'll still be kicking around when the re-signalling happens, but never say never. If I took this week as an indicator of the future, I'd even say they may outlive the S-stock. |
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Post by Ben on Oct 28, 2011 9:02:52 GMT
Considering the quotes you've chosen above that, are you sure ST, you dont mean the A stock connect radios would be dropping like flies by then? Its very unfair to compare the two stocks. One has the best body build on the system and has been in a period of no major (or at times minor) maintainence for some time, and the other... well, there are other words that start with 'S'; as was pointed out by another LUL employee.  Anyone able to comment on the contractual issues, if any, that the S stocks breaking in period might be having on Bombardier? A TOp I knew many years back commented semi-flippantly once that despite the notional 'one railway one stock' ideal the S's were supposed to bring, that it'd probably transpire the Met gets version one, the H&C version two and the District version three. Uniformity in three non-identical marks. I hope this isn't begining to look more and more likely... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 11:20:03 GMT
I'm told that some Met T/Ops have now discovered what the S really stands for, and are calling the trains by their correct names now.....Skodas! ;D ;D
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Post by slugabed on Oct 28, 2011 11:34:41 GMT
Not Fair!
I'll reserve judgement on the S stock,not yet having been on one.....But the Skoda,while perhaps not being the sexiest of cars,was always a fine piece of engineering on a budget.
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Post by redsetter on Oct 28, 2011 11:46:54 GMT
well lets hope the bath tub curve in this case isn't the shape they weren't expecting. a round tub.a train more suitably called an As2 would have been a more appropriate name with amersham man traveling at 70mph because he couldn't get out of london fast enough on a comfortable seat.
seriously though a fifty year old design to new technology must have came as a major change.perhaps the disposal program ran to quick and problems should have been given more time to be identified without finding out the hard way thus minimising anything large scale. dont know if anyone agrees?.
skodas are not that bad now actually and are vw affiliated though ownership
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Post by Ben on Oct 28, 2011 13:00:36 GMT
Having the Met first was, I suspect, an excercise in image; 'Lets get ride of these terrible old trains', 'catching up with the backlog of underinvestment', 'using 50 year old tech is absurd for a modern world class metro'. Excellent PR; like that slamdoor carriage that was wrecking balled by one of the southern franchises. It was also a simpler, quicker 'win' than, say, introducing additional trains on the H&C to start with, then waiting till reliability starts to improve before actually scrapping any large amount of previous stock.
Surely if the reliability is that bad, instead of scrapping the A stock it could be kept in warm store at Ruislip Depot. Some stabled there when the line was shut to Neasden. Perhaps even commission a dozen more S stocks, keep them at Neasden, and outstable the same amount of A's at Ruislip.
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Post by a60 on Oct 28, 2011 14:22:40 GMT
I'm told that some Met T/Ops have now discovered what the S really stands for, and are calling the trains by their correct names now.....Skodas! ;D ;D How do you double the value of a Skoda? Fill it up with petrol. But seriously, the S Stocks aren't following the bathtub curve quite as I expected, nor are the A Stock for that matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 17:39:27 GMT
Not Fair! I'll reserve judgement on the S stock,not yet having been on one.....But the Skoda,while perhaps not being the sexiest of cars,was always a fine piece of engineering on a budget. It may not be fair, but that's coming from the people driving them on a daily basis ;D ;D |
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