castlebar
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Post by castlebar on Oct 20, 2011 9:06:09 GMT
@ videomaniac
I'll concede that on property prices to a point. But adjacent properties would be affected, both above and under the ground. (Subsidence)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 9:16:47 GMT
Oh; I forgot about that. But as I have already said, property prices would only make up a fraction of the huge cost of building a Central Line station at Shoreditch High street.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 20, 2011 11:44:27 GMT
The distance between the two (Liverpool Street and Shoreditch HS) is far too short IMO to warrant any need to build a connecting station... especially in the current financial climate. Its around a 5 minute walk.
Those who have mobility issues can easily find buses heading north immediately the eastern entrance/exit of Liverpool Street along Bishopsgate. However those in wheelchairs may have a 'cooks tour' via the western end at Broadgate, although I think that there is a lift in the area close to the Central Line exit.
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Post by mikebuzz on Oct 20, 2011 19:14:20 GMT
I'd say, looking at the map, there's a reasonable distance for inner London station spacing, and a bit long for Central area if anything.
I thought the traditional argument is the station would be too busy and the line can't take additional journeys from the ELL which it is hoped would change with Crossrail. You and Castle Bar seem to be saying there is no demand for a station. The area has changed radically and I think the new developments at Shoreditch will change things even more. could even cause real overcrowding problems at Liverpool Street for those heading north-west on-street from there.
The above-ground (over ground?) station already exists, just needs connecting to a new pair of platform tunnels on the Central. Subsidence issues were almost certainly sorted when the ELLX was being constructed and it was mentioned I think by TfL that allowance for a future CL station had been planned into the project, whatever that means.
Obviously there isn't money for such projects for the forseeable (decades probably the way we're going) but that applies if it's a great idea or a lousy one.
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Post by castlebar on Oct 20, 2011 19:37:59 GMT
I agree the area has changed radically. The original "why not" reason was duplication of route Mile End - Liv St, as it was already covered by the Met., and an incredibly intense (by todays standards) bus/trolleybus service along roads that were quite free of private cars.
Now, yes, things are different.
But trust me, it is not just a matter of "Just" putting in a couple of tunnels and a few stairs. This would cost MORE than a Park Royal interchange, and l know which is most needed.
A Cental Line/ELL interchange at Shoreditch is a long way down the "wish list"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 20:43:53 GMT
Another reason for there being only 2 intermediate stations on this section might be that they replaced the 2 intermediate main line stations - Bethnal Green (which, of course, remained open for the Hackney Downs lines) and Coborn Road.
A station at Bow Road might have been a better fit for Coborn Road (and would also have replaced the station on the Fenchurch Street line), but Mile End would have been chosen as a better interchange, both with the District Line and the trolleybuses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 5:44:02 GMT
The distance between the two (Liverpool Street and Shoreditch HS) is far too short IMO to warrant any need to build a connecting station... especially in the current financial climate. Its around a 5 minute walk. Aldgate, Bank, and Moorgate are all closer to Liverpool Street station, than a new station at Shoreditch High Street would be. And all of these stations are well used.
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Post by ducatisti on Oct 21, 2011 7:45:35 GMT
there is a completely different oabve-ground environment at those stations west of Liverpool street is the city - where the majority of commuter traffic disgorges
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 8:37:30 GMT
Yes, but that will have changed within a decade; Shoreidtch will probably become part of 'The City' as London's CBD expands.
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