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Post by underground2010 on Oct 9, 2011 13:42:32 GMT
I've read in another thread that the purpose of Crossrail is to take strain off the Central line. Isn't the real purpose to reduce congestion on the tube network all together?
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 9, 2011 13:46:49 GMT
Mainly the Central line, as it uses a lot of the route of the Central. (And then, provides Canary Wharf with yet another transportation option and it would help the congestion at Custom House during the Olympics. oh wait, it's taking too long. 2018 maybe?
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 9, 2011 13:53:05 GMT
Mainly the Central line, as it uses a lot of the route of the Central. (And then, provides Canary Wharf with yet another transportation option and it would help the congestion at Custom House during the Olympics. oh wait, it's taking too long. 2018 maybe? Everything seems to be falling behind lately. They wanted the tube to be upgraded by 2012 but no chance. I don't think there will ever be a project started on transport in London that will be completely on time or without any problems. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 9, 2011 14:12:00 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail...
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 9, 2011 14:23:28 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail... Yeah, I read that the 'Chelney' line was due to take over the Epping branch of the Central line and all trains on the Central line would go round the Hainault loop. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 9, 2011 14:58:31 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail... Yeah, I read that the 'Chelney' line was due to take over the Epping branch of the Central line and all trains on the Central line would go round the Hainault loop. And the Epping branch would be extended towards Stansted Airport? (Probably via Ongar) |
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Post by ianvisits on Oct 9, 2011 15:04:29 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail... Being "just a second crossrail" is actually an upgrade from being a tube service as it will use overland grade trains, which can carry a lot more passengers in greater comfort than tube trains can. I doubt we will ever see a "tube" grade tunnel built under London again as it is just too short-sighted a decision to take. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 21:58:16 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail... What were the glory years? |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 15:11:26 GMT
The glory years of transport in London are definitely over. A new line (the Chelney) was planned long before Crossrail, as a tube, and now is just a second crossrail... What were the glory years? Something like the 1960s till the 1980s or something? |
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Post by suncloud on Oct 10, 2011 18:23:54 GMT
1930s
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 18:25:26 GMT
Why's that? Modern tubes were built in the 1960s and 1970s. |
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Post by slugabed on Oct 10, 2011 18:47:36 GMT
Why's that? Modern tubes were built in the 1960s and 1970s. I think Suncloud is right,and he beat me to it. The 30s were surely the glory days of the Underground...not just line extensions,but huge programme of station modernisation,escalators,signalling,the finest tube and SSR stocks......and the architecture.... Proper investment.No "consultation" or "feasibility studies" just getting on with it.Glory days indeed.....no longer possible. |
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Post by Ben on Oct 10, 2011 19:10:37 GMT
Indeed; the interwar period was really the zenith of development and progress for the system. Conversely, the 60s to 80s represented the period of almost total decline. Signalling systems simplified, projects repeatedly scaled back, passenger numbers falling through the floor, investment drying up, strikes, massive staff shortages, increasing political interferance, falls in standards, delayed maintenance...
Put another way, the period started with the A stock and a family railway, and ended with the Kings Cross fire, 83ts and Company Plan.
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 19:13:12 GMT
Ok, remove the 1980s. Make it the late 70's (Jubilee line with 72ts)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 19:15:27 GMT
Why's that? Modern tubes were built in the 1960s and 1970s...........(and) Something like the 1960s till the 1980s or something? The Victoria Line in the 60s, a small bit of the Jubilee Line and a short extension of the Piccadilly line to Heathrow in the 70s. C'mon Chris, hardly the glory years were they? Most of it was either pre WWII or shortly after. |
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 19:17:47 GMT
So guess what? You win.
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Post by plasmid on Oct 10, 2011 19:18:44 GMT
Mainly the Central line, as it uses a lot of the route of the Central. (And then, provides Canary Wharf with yet another transportation option and it would help the congestion at Custom House during the Olympics. oh wait, it's taking too long. 2018 maybe? Everything seems to be falling behind lately. They wanted the tube to be upgraded by 2012 but no chance. I don't think there will ever be a project started on transport in London that will be completely on time or without any problems. That's not really fair. Crossrail recently dug up a huge ancient roman bathing house. London is an ancient city and whenever London Underground go digging they always find something or have to deal with things like subsidence with the clay etc. Delays aren't always caused by Labour  |
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Post by suncloud on Oct 10, 2011 19:33:10 GMT
The 90s00s /could/ have been a great period for LU... but combinations of flawed financing schemes and project mismanagement failings have left all the improvements looking slightly tarnished. The current government and global economics have dealt with the dying throes of impetus to make the Underground (and DLR/trams/...) bigger and/or better...
(The other other period of course is the early days of 1880s-1910s but I feel the 30s is more the golden age as that was then London's Transport was coming together under one umbrella yet not getting tied down by bureaucracy...)
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Post by chrisvandenkieboom on Oct 10, 2011 19:38:59 GMT
nick; because they are also caused by the Conservatives?
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Post by ianvisits on Oct 11, 2011 8:07:58 GMT
nick; because they are also caused by the Conservatives? ..the conservationists. |
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Post by plasmid on Oct 11, 2011 17:35:46 GMT
Well well well looks like the Jubilee Line extension has made Big Ben lean by 0.3 degrees. As I was saying...subsidence :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2011 18:14:54 GMT
Aren't there always multiple purposes/benefits arising from large projects?  |
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Post by mikebuzz on Oct 13, 2011 0:06:01 GMT
I've read in another thread that the purpose of Crossrail is to take strain off the Central line. Isn't the real purpose to reduce congestion on the tube network all together? When it comes to LU, mostly the Central line, but also to some extent the H&C/Met northern side of the Circle. NR relief is important too. Crossrail takes pressure off Liverpool Street, London Bridge, Charing X and Paddington termini. It also provides a direct quick link between Canary Wharf and the City/West End/Heathrow And the Epping branch would be extended towards Stansted Airport? (Probably via Ongar) IIRC this was in the South Eastern RUS, extending just to the east of the M11 from Epping. There's a rival plan for extension to Harlow, west of the M11 from Epping (as put forward by consultants on behalf of local interests - it has something to do with new homes being planned in the area). What were the glory years? 1902-1905. ;D |
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Post by younglulnerd on Oct 13, 2011 19:15:41 GMT
Yep. 2 periods of glory with the Underground, 1890-1907 (C&SLR to Yerkes' tubes), and the Holden - New Works Programme era. Granted, the Northern Heights, Denham bit, and Ricky-Aylesbury Quad-ing wasn't done, but still, that is where the main basis of the network is from.
Also, as Mikebuzz said, there is some relief for the oldest part of the network too (Paddington-Farringdon), as that is plaged by flat junctions.
Still don't like Crossrail, though...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 22:58:42 GMT
...Ricky-Aylesbury Quad-ing... I've never heard of that before - are there any details of it online? Paul |
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Post by mrjrt on Oct 14, 2011 10:44:54 GMT
...Ricky-Aylesbury Quad-ing... I've never heard of that before - are there any details of it online? Paul I've never heard it to go that far, but the current Quad tracking was supposed to finish at Rickmansworth, not Watford South Junction. Plans were also drawn up for loops at Chorleywood et al....but I've never heard of all the way to Aylesbury. |
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Post by younglulnerd on Oct 15, 2011 7:44:00 GMT
...Ricky-Aylesbury Quad-ing... I've never heard of that before - are there any details of it online? Paul Sorry, got Electrification to Aylesbury and Quadrification to Rickmansworth mixed up  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2011 9:13:53 GMT
It will prob help relieve the Jub as fewer people from SE London and Kent will be likely to then interchange from NR at London Bridge to get to to Canary Wharf.
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