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Post by younglulnerd on Sept 26, 2011 18:47:22 GMT
Does anyone know, if work was done to make compatible, it could still be used. Cartometro says the track has been lifted, but I remember seeing somewhere that it was sealed off during ELL-LO conversion. Can someone clear this up??
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Post by superteacher on Sept 26, 2011 19:10:43 GMT
Does anyone know, if work was done to make compatible, it could still be used. Cartometro says the track has been lifted, but I remember seeing somewhere that it was sealed off during ELL-LO conversion. Can someone clear this up?? The connection to the District / Hammersmith and City line has been severed. Not sure if track is still in situ on the curve itself, but even if there is, it won't be much use without being connected to anything! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 20:26:56 GMT
Would it be long enough to stable a train in, or even turn one if the track layout was altered?
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 26, 2011 20:38:11 GMT
I thought Crossrail was blocking the path.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 26, 2011 21:15:06 GMT
The District side of the Curve was plain lined in early 2009.
There is indeed a partition wall separating the LU/LO sides.
Crossrail would not interfere with this.
There used to be space to hold an 8-car A Stock, in between the District and East London.
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 26, 2011 21:32:09 GMT
The District side of the Curve was plain lined in early 2009. There is indeed a partition wall separating the LU/LO sides. Crossrail would not interfere with this. There used to be space to hold an 8-car A Stock, in between the District and East London. Ah yes, I think the curve was just bricked up. |
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Post by metman on Sept 26, 2011 22:14:26 GMT
Perhaps an emergency siding could be formed although there will be a crossover(s) at Whitechapel that would do the same job!
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Post by programmes1 on Sept 27, 2011 15:23:18 GMT
The original pan for the late 1990s was to reduce to a single track just shows how things can alter.
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Post by younglulnerd on Sept 27, 2011 17:03:31 GMT
So to reopen link, apart from track work, it would just be a process of knocking down that wall?
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Post by DWS on Sept 27, 2011 17:27:40 GMT
So to reopen link, apart from track work, it would just be a process of knocking down that wall? Plus lots and lots of money  |
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Post by younglulnerd on Sept 27, 2011 17:42:12 GMT
Why? Surely, just knocking down a wall doesn't take that much money, right? Track work aside, only a couple of grand max, right. I'm wrong ain't I. Please explain... |
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Post by metman on Sept 27, 2011 18:20:25 GMT
Well you'd have to connect the track up to the ELL, so that is new points. Then you would have to alter the signalling to provide a path for stock movements, which will never get used!
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 27, 2011 18:44:30 GMT
Well you'd have to connect the track up to the ELL, so that is new points. Then you would have to alter the signalling to provide a path for stock movements, which will never get used! So probably a couple of million but why not? You get another branch on the ELL in the north to balance out all those crazy branches in the south. ;D |
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Post by younglulnerd on Sept 27, 2011 18:48:20 GMT
Well actually I was thinking of a totally new line, but you can have another branch on the ELL if you want Mikebuzz  |
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Post by mikebuzz on Sept 27, 2011 19:54:19 GMT
Well actually I was thinking of a totally new line, but you can have another branch on the ELL if you want Mikebuzz I most certainly don't! Not sure the relatively short curve is worth doing anything with if it ain't gonna link to the ELL. Also, will your idea cross it or the line to Barking or will it swing round to the south-west, only it's at the same level as the ELL and District/Met so avoiding these means you don't get much use of the curve. |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 28, 2011 13:49:21 GMT
Well you'd have to connect the track up to the ELL, so that is new points. Then you would have to alter the signalling to provide a path for stock movements, which will never get used! So probably a couple of million but why not? You get another branch on the ELL in the north to balance out all those crazy branches in the south. ;D You would also need rolling stock which is capable of running on both 3rd rail and 4th rail DC electrification, as the ELL no longer has the 4th rail. Then there is the introduction of extra sources of delay to the southern end of the ELL, with train running over onto Network Rail. At the moment, the northern end is isolated, so delays don't propagate easily to the NR part of the line, once you connect up to the District line, you would need somewhere for recovery time on the ELL, before Surrey Quays, to stop trains arriving late at New Cross Gate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 22:39:01 GMT
So probably a couple of million but why not? You get another branch on the ELL in the north to balance out all those crazy branches in the south. ;D You would also need rolling stock which is capable of running on both 3rd rail and 4th rail DC electrification, as the ELL no longer has the 4th rail. Then there is the introduction of extra sources of delay to the southern end of the ELL, with train running over onto Network Rail. At the moment, the northern end is isolated, so delays don't propagate easily to the NR part of the line, once you connect up to the District line, you would need somewhere for recovery time on the ELL, before Surrey Quays, to stop trains arriving late at New Cross Gate. I think you've hit the nail on the head there Andy. Be honest Mike, "A couple of million, so what?".......So what? Well that's a couple of million of our taxes I'd rather see spent elsewhere. As has been said it'd be many times that for a start anyway but even a couple of million is too much IMHO to save a bit of shoeleather and much needed public exercise on the stairs at Whitechapel, particularly when the interchange is so easy now, and likely to be even better with the current station improvements are finished. |
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