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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 13:15:11 GMT
To all,
Does anyone know how I can get hold of the current Met line WTT?
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 10, 2011 13:22:17 GMT
To all, Does anyone know how I can get hold of the current Met line WTT? Why? Current WTTs are still active documents and as such are not in circulation. |
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Post by causton on Aug 10, 2011 15:47:29 GMT
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Post by jardine01 on Aug 10, 2011 16:07:10 GMT
What is a WTT?
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Post by SE13 on Aug 10, 2011 16:16:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 17:46:58 GMT
That doesn't matter, as long as there is a timetable with workings then I don't care |
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Post by castlebar on Aug 10, 2011 19:08:10 GMT
Thank you for posting the links to the timetables
I am pleasantly surprised to see the early Rickmansworth/Croxley chord workings on there. 60 years ago, any bizarre oddball workings tended not to be publicised in the timetables, and the public were "discouraged" from using them - the Claphan Junc - Olympia workings for example were meant for "Post Office staff only", so they ran emptier than was necessary.
Good to see a bit of joined up thinking.
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Post by vato on Aug 11, 2011 0:13:36 GMT
I note that the 31st July changes are not reflected in the online tube guide. Posters suggest that you get a copy at the station, but none appear to have been printed (or distributed).
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Post by abe on Aug 11, 2011 7:06:45 GMT
They are available, but not widely. My copy came from Moorgate (Amersham/Chesham guide). I still haven't seen an Uxbridge guide, which is rumoured to exist...
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 16, 2011 17:49:27 GMT
Just make a Freedom of Information request to foi@tube.tfl.gov.uk and they will send you whichever WTTs you want.
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Post by pitdiver on Aug 30, 2011 10:05:28 GMT
I have just looked at the Guide to Watford as shown on the above link. Are my eyes deceiving me on does it say a service every 10 mins from Watford on a Sunday. This seems OTT as when I worked at Watford & Croxley there was a service ever 20 mins on a Sunday and that was sometimes too much. We would be lucky to see anybody AT ALL after 1800 hrs on a Sunday
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Post by metman on Aug 30, 2011 10:18:14 GMT
Yes back in the day I remember a 3tph service on a Sunday. There is 'currently' a 6tph service except in early mornings and and after about 21.30 when 2tph are diverted to Chesham all stations.
From December, the Croxley/Watford service will be reduced to 4tph off peak Mon-Sun but Moor Park-North Harrow will receive 8tph (4tph from Watford + 4tph Amersham/Chesham) at the expense of no fast trains at all.
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Post by redsetter on Aug 30, 2011 11:04:22 GMT
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Post by citysig on Aug 30, 2011 19:54:40 GMT
They should point out that the tube users who are furious are those local to their publication. However those who live in and around the Pinner area have been granted what they wanted.
I've said it ever since this timetable was revealed. This timetable is not really the fault of LU (although maybe it could have been handled slightly differently.) Just as with the Chesham through service, this is an example of what can happen when you allow the public to decide which services to run, and give them their own way.
Maybe we should arrange a meeting whereby the Chesham and Amersham residents sit one side, and the Pinner and Northwood residents sit on the other. Allow them to thrash it out and then see what timetable we should run...
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Post by graeme186 on Aug 30, 2011 20:42:50 GMT
Maybe we should arrange a meeting whereby the Chesham and Amersham residents sit one side, and the Pinner and Northwood residents sit on the other. Allow them to thrash it out and then see what timetable we should run... Well, the 11th of Sept would seem to be an ideal date to arrange such a meeting. There will be numerous trains throughout the day linking Amersham/Chesham with Northwood/Pinner. I imagine there would be quite a number of persons who use this forum willing to chair and facilitate such a meeting! Would certainly be interested to read what objectives have been set for the trial on this date. |
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Post by citysig on Aug 30, 2011 21:28:16 GMT
Would certainly be interested to read what objectives have been set for the trial on this date. The objectives are really centred around a handful of our staff getting to grips with what will be come December. We wanted a full "dry run" of the service over a whole weekend - ideally with full services on the Met, Picc, Chiltern and H&C. Due to engineering work, this hasn't been possible on any weekend, and even on 11th September there are closures which will affect the way in which the service is found to operate (we wanted "realism" in the way it meshes with other trains, in particular at Watford South Junction.) Management are looking for feedback from customers and staff, but even if it is a disaster, the only measures that will be taken are those that counteract whatever goes wrong. The timetable will be introduced and will remain for some months at least. As I've said before, it works on paper, and without as many inter-meshing services, 11th September will no doubt be a success and have people believing that December will not be as bad after all. But until we get the timetable in fully, nobody will know. It's a case of "New Circle Line" to prove our worst fears wrong, or something quite the opposite. |
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Post by metman on Aug 31, 2011 6:58:01 GMT
I went over Watford South Junction on Sunday, and it's now very different to what it used to be! There is now a serious speed restriction for Amersham trains using the local line, especially on the up road! No doubt this will add to the longer time.
I don't like the way LU declared the timetable as more simple. I seems more complex than ever. The only bit I believe that is key is sorting out problems at Rayners Lane!
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Post by graeme186 on Aug 31, 2011 21:16:24 GMT
Would certainly be interested to read what objectives have been set for the trial on this date. The objectives are really centred around a handful of our staff getting to grips with what will be come December. We wanted a full "dry run" of the service over a whole weekend - ideally with full services on the Met, Picc, Chiltern and H&C. Due to engineering work, this hasn't been possible on any weekend, and even on 11th September there are closures which will affect the way in which the service is found to operate (we wanted "realism" in the way it meshes with other trains, in particular at Watford South Junction.) Management are looking for feedback from customers and staff, but even if it is a disaster, the only measures that will be taken are those that counteract whatever goes wrong. The timetable will be introduced and will remain for some months at least. As I've said before, it works on paper, and without as many inter-meshing services, 11th September will no doubt be a success and have people believing that December will not be as bad after all. But until we get the timetable in fully, nobody will know. It's a case of "New Circle Line" to prove our worst fears wrong, or something quite the opposite. Thank you very much MetControl for explaining. I was particularly interested in your point concerning feedback from customers. Given that very few weekends go buy when no engineering work is taking place on the Met, many passengers travelling at weekends just accept whatever service is provided and I doubt it will occur to many of them on the 11th that what they are being provided with is actually something quite different. That is, of course, unless LUL intend to advertise the fact to passengers that the service being provided on Sun 11th Sept is a trial for the new off-peak/weekend service being introduced in December and that feedback would be welcome? As you say, I would expect the December 11 suite of new WTTs are pretty much put to bed now and whatever happens on the 11th Sept is unlikely to change the new and revised service patterns we will see on the Met from later this year. |
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Post by citysig on Sept 1, 2011 11:13:42 GMT
As you say, I would expect the December 11 suite of new WTTs are pretty much put to bed now and whatever happens on the 11th Sept is unlikely to change the new and revised service patterns we will see on the Met from later this year. December 2011, May 2012 and December 2012 are all pretty much done and dusted now. There are small chances of getting something into December 12, but nothing along the lines of a full recast. So whatever arrives in December will stay with us for 18 months. That is unless it is a complete disaster. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 21:57:46 GMT
As you say, I would expect the December 11 suite of new WTTs are pretty much put to bed now and whatever happens on the 11th Sept is unlikely to change the new and revised service patterns we will see on the Met from later this year. December 2011, May 2012 and December 2012 are all pretty much done and dusted now. There are small chances of getting something into December 12, but nothing along the lines of a full recast. So whatever arrives in December will stay with us for 18 months. That is unless it is a complete disaster. There is no May 2012 Timetable change on the sub surface to be done and dusted ! Decision made a couple of years ago not to have one as the base needed to be frozen from December 2011 in order to create Olympic schedules in a timely manner The only lines with new WTT's between Dec 11 and the Olympics are likely to be the Vic and the Jub |
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Post by cso on Sept 2, 2011 0:08:42 GMT
December 2011, May 2012 and December 2012 are all pretty much done and dusted now. There is no May 2012 Timetable change on the sub surface to be done and dusted ! I have to say, I would say that if there's a decision to have no timetable change in May 2012, then the May 2012 timetable is done and dusted... it will be the same as December 2011. MetControl didn't mention that there were any changes in May 2012, just that it was sorted  |
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Post by citysig on Sept 2, 2011 17:40:52 GMT
There is no May 2012 Timetable change on the sub surface to be done and dusted ! Yes, and I was told that but simply forgot that little event next year as I was typing MetControl didn't mention that there were any changes in May 2012, just that it was sorted ;D True |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 18:41:47 GMT
There is no May 2012 Timetable change on the sub surface to be done and dusted ! I have to say, I would say that if there's a decision to have no timetable change in May 2012, then the May 2012 timetable is done and dusted... it will be the same as December 2011. MetControl didn't mention that there were any changes in May 2012, just that it was sorted Indeed, I was simply removing the ambiguity as some folks who read that statement may have thought there was a May 12 WTT, that was done and dusted ! Met Control is a big boy and more than capable of supporting his own statements and holding his hand up if he perhaps hasn't been 100% clear ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 8:57:37 GMT
A trail operation of the New service pattern's from December operates today Sunday 11th September.
Amersham - Aldgate every 30 minutes
Chesham to Aldgate every 30 minutes
Watford to Baker Street every 15 minutes
Uxbridge to Aldgate every 15 minutes
Uxbridge to Baker Street every 15 minutes
Providing a 3-4 min service Baker St to Harrow and a 7-8 from Harrow to Moor Park & Uxbridge.
All trains will run via the loacl line between Watford South Jun and Harrow and Harrow & Wembley Pk calling at all stations.
Between Aldgate and Baker Street every 5-10 minutes.
UX/AM/UX/CM/UX/AM/UX/CM
35 Trains working of both A & S Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 18:51:18 GMT
All the announcements I heard today referred to the Met running a 'good service' - without any reference to the modified timetable, or revised service. There was minimal notification of the revised service (to keep people off platforms 1 & 2 at Moor Park), but no revised timings seen anywhere. Only the normal timetables - against which some trains were 25 minutes late! And they call that a 'good' service.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 23:20:21 GMT
Yes, it was annoying that there no details on the revised timings. Running time approx 8 mins longer than a fast, but then we didn't sit at HOH for 5 mins! Actually made Chiltern feel like a fast service today. I did take a trip on the 1938 TS and the Sarah Siddons hauled trains, and both severely checked on Northbound runs :-(. Clearly some planning issues there!
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Post by greatcentral on Sept 11, 2011 23:34:55 GMT
Not a good service this evening. Left Lord's 1820 travelled via Jubilee from St John's wood to Finchley Road to change for Met. 1838 Amersham departed as we arrived next train about 1852 Chesham (train 402). Wembley Park 1858 5 min delay due to "problems with computer". Proceed normally to Harrow 1910 arr. As in Royston Vasey "you'll never leave". Delay "I'll have to reset computer" all lights out, emergency lighting, doors cannot be opened - some passengers exasperated as Watford train arrives and leaves. Compresssor starts full lighting comes on- "This is now a fast Chesham service. My monitor screen is not working so there will be a short delay whilst I get assistance to leave the platform". Those for intermediate stations leave - one young lady so annoyed that to my vast displeasure as she left the vehicle she pressed the alarm. Driver unimpressed, platform staff reset but then at 1924 withdraws train from service. "The next train at platform 3 will be a fast Amersham service" As it runs in it becomes a fast Chesham service. Chalfont and Latimer 1955. Got lift to Amersham arrive 2010. Total journey time 1 hr 40 minutes. No apology from anyone at any stage . Deeply unimpressed. What on earth is going on?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 11, 2011 23:56:33 GMT
How does this relate to the Met. WTT, please?
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Post by greatcentral on Sept 12, 2011 6:31:45 GMT
Sorry. Never post when you are annoyed!
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Post by citysig on Sept 12, 2011 17:43:26 GMT
Not a good service this evening. Left Lord's 1820 travelled via Jubilee from St John's wood to Finchley Road to change for Met. 1838 Amersham departed as we arrived next train about 1852 Chesham (train 402). Wembley Park 1858 5 min delay due to "problems with computer". Proceed normally to Harrow 1910 arr. As in Royston Vasey "you'll never leave". Delay "I'll have to reset computer" all lights out, emergency lighting, doors cannot be opened - some passengers exasperated as Watford train arrives and leaves. Compresssor starts full lighting comes on- "This is now a fast Chesham service. My monitor screen is not working so there will be a short delay whilst I get assistance to leave the platform". Those for intermediate stations leave - one young lady so annoyed that to my vast displeasure as she left the vehicle she pressed the alarm. Driver unimpressed, platform staff reset but then at 1924 withdraws train from service. "The next train at platform 3 will be a fast Amersham service" As it runs in it becomes a fast Chesham service. Chalfont and Latimer 1955. Got lift to Amersham arrive 2010. Total journey time 1 hr 40 minutes. No apology from anyone at any stage . Deeply unimpressed. What on earth is going on? Much as this doesn't relate to the thread in hand... This train experienced a number of problems. Despite efforts by the driver to keep the train going, it failed completely and had to be sent to depot. It became a fast initially to recover time lost by the first problems. The Amersham then became a Chesham to cover for the lost Chesham service (as a Chiltern was close and could supply Amersham). Hope this explains the delay - of course a delay to services which was exacerbated by the person who maliciously operated the passenger alarm... |
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