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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 23:43:55 GMT
Apparently significant sections of the Tramlink network including power lines and tracks have been damaged by fire in the riots. Very sad.
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Post by Ben on Aug 8, 2011 23:47:06 GMT
Getting pretty bad out there now, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 0:17:38 GMT
Devastation here. Lots of stations have been closed, and there are reports that a station in Camden has been set alight but can't confirm. Currently lying low but will try to get more information in the morning.
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 9, 2011 0:56:47 GMT
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Post by younglulnerd on Aug 9, 2011 10:46:24 GMT
They burnt down Reeves (if that is correct), and I presume that is why it is named Reeves Corner. I remember last night that they had shut all the street running bits in central croydon. How bad is the damage? I'd ask for pictures, but I'm not allowed, forum rules and all. How long till normal service is resumed on tramlink when this rioting ends?
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Post by edwardfox on Aug 9, 2011 11:04:53 GMT
There seems to be constant updates from Tangy and there are plenty of videos on YouTube although obviously not transport specific.
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Post by cso on Aug 9, 2011 11:12:42 GMT
twitter.com/#!/TramFan/status/100886813408899072: There's serious damage to Tram infrastructure due to the fire at Reeves Corner. No confirmed news as to time needed for repairs to be done.
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Post by younglulnerd on Aug 9, 2011 11:19:45 GMT
Are there other parts of LU, LO, DLR etc. damaged by these riots? Stations, trains, tracks? I know about various buses, but what about the Tube???
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Post by Colin on Aug 9, 2011 11:27:29 GMT
Tube is untouched to the best of my knowledge...
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Post by cso on Aug 9, 2011 12:16:54 GMT
Apparently some trams are stuck as well, according to the latest update on the tramfan twitter account
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 16:24:44 GMT
The tracks at Reeves Corner buckled, and the overhead power lines melted from the heat of the fire that was burning at Reeves Furniture Store. There is also footage showing the tram tracks opposite the store actually in flames. Traffic lights were also melted, as were shops signs on the other side of the street. A bus at the Centrale Bust Stop was also burnt and destroyed by rioters.
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Post by roythebus on Aug 9, 2011 16:29:48 GMT
It would appear from the TV piccys that flammable liquid used the grooves in the tram rails to run along and spread the fire. does anyone know if any trams have been damaged yet?
No doubt firms such as PSV Glass will have a busy time supplying replacement glass for the Hackney (and other areas)bus fleet damaged. I heard this morning from one of my bus aprts suppliers that at least 3 buses have been burnt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 16:54:18 GMT
Unfortunately no trams have been damaged yet, it is mainly buses and historic buildings/businesses bearing the brunt of the mindless thugs.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 9, 2011 17:08:51 GMT
The Tramlink Yahoo group is quoting Croydon council as "2-3" days for OHLE repairs and "upwards of a week" if track repairs are needed.
There are some trapped trams that were east of Reeves Corner when they were stopped, as the depot is west of there. It might be possible to get them back to the depot of the north side of the town centre loop is accessible. However, this will require either roads to be closed to other traffic or a police escort as it will require trams running the wrong way along one-way streets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 17:37:02 GMT
The Tramlink Yahoo group is quoting Croydon council as "2-3" days for OHLE repairs and "upwards of a week" if track repairs are needed. There are some trapped trams that were east of Reeves Corner when they were stopped, as the depot is west of there. It might be possible to get them back to the depot of the north side of the town centre loop is accessible. However, this will require either roads to be closed to other traffic or a police escort as it will require trams running the wrong way along one-way streets. Police escorts have been used before.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 9, 2011 18:10:17 GMT
Unfortunately no trams have been damaged yet, it is mainly buses and historic buildings/businesses bearing the brunt of the mindless thugs. Unfortunately?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 18:24:37 GMT
Last night the service update said there was a fire alert at Bethnal Green, I was worried for a minute but all would appear to be ok now.
That Reeve's Corner fire must have been the worst of the lot, must have been one of the most agressive fires Iv'e ever seen.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 9, 2011 18:31:54 GMT
There was a picture around a lot today, of a woman jumping from a burning building and being caught by people below. On the left were two speed restriction signs for the trams.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 9, 2011 18:48:24 GMT
There was a picture around a lot today, of a woman jumping from a burning building and being caught by people below. On the left were two speed restriction signs for the trams. There are, and photoshop is very good. Sadly on the other fake floating around with the tanks at Bank, they forgot to edit the Arabic lettering from the side of the tanks. Don't believe all you read!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 20:26:45 GMT
As I passed through Wimbledon yesterday I saw a full tram in platform 10 with another one right up against it - never seen that before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 14:56:07 GMT
As I passed through Wimbledon yesterday I saw a full tram in platform 10 with another one right up against it - never seen that before. Probably put there when services were disrupted so that staff can keep an eye on them. No telling what would happen if they were parked up at other stops etc.
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 10, 2011 18:52:24 GMT
There was a picture around a lot today, of a woman jumping from a burning building and being caught by people below. On the left were two speed restriction signs for the trams. There are, and photoshop is very good. But why photoshop in a two speed limit signs?
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Post by SE13 on Aug 10, 2011 19:01:23 GMT
The picture was floating around all the social network sites yesterday, and ripped as fakes, that seemingly coupled with the tanks at Bank. For obvious reasons, we can't allow the picture here, but it's easy enough to and the results should explain all.
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 10, 2011 19:52:10 GMT
If the Croydon one is fake - then it's a pretty dead ringer for this location (looking the other way) LINK - divergence in the tram track, point indicator light, same tattoo parlour sign - the Daily Mail LINK has two versions of the photo. I suggest that the chemist itself isn't on fire, but the building behind is the Reeves one that is now no more.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 10, 2011 20:29:48 GMT
Dunno, I'd have to trawl through thousands of Tweets to find it, but it was basically exposed as a super-imposed image over the top of the burning building, and sensationalised by a well known newspaper renowned for this sort of dramatic imagery....
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Post by alex92ts on Aug 10, 2011 20:46:22 GMT
That Reeve's Corner fire must have been the worst of the lot, must have been one of the most agressive fires Iv'e ever seen. I think the Enfield fire is by far the worst, in terms of size at least. The Sony warehouse (which is in the Innova Science Park at Enfield Lock) is huge, and 300 people have now lost their jobs. Loughton (about 5 miles away) is covered with coal-sized ash (some of which is in my garden and on the roof) as a result of the Enfield fire. For the past couple of days, the town has smelt strongly of burning plastic. I think the Reeves Corner fire is more sad, seeing how old the building was, and how the business was a traditional family business, unlike Sony which will easily recover from this.
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Post by Ben on Aug 10, 2011 22:41:51 GMT
It seems that the majority of property burn down was Victorian.
As the elder Reeves commented, it'd stood through two world wars, and two major depressions, yet was destroyed by this. I really disliked the way BBC news was quizzing the younger one on the night though, "Looking at this what do you feel? Can you describe your thoughts in three words? What would you great grandfather say? If we poke our finger in your bullet wound and wiggle it do you feel worse?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 23:08:34 GMT
The BBC were IMO were very stupid last night, when there showed a long line of Police vans in London and then broadcast where they had come from . Xerces Fobe
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Post by alex92ts on Aug 11, 2011 12:33:58 GMT
Can't believe how many stupid questions BBC and Sky News reporters asked. The number of times I heard questions along the lines of 'and how do you feel now?', as if they are going to answer 'I feel great'. I feel its better to watch Newsnight as there doesn't seem to be so many stupid questions on that programme. Its definatly a great shame that so many Victorian/Edwardian-era buildings were damaged or destroyed in the riots. I suppose they are easier to set alight with all the old building materials used. The 1930s building was definatly a shame to see go. It was just a Carpet Right store, but had many flats above it. It survived Hitler, but not some pathetic yobs. With the newer buildings destroyed, such as the Aldi supermarket and the Sony warehouse, I don't feel so bad about those buildings going, but obviously do feel bad about the people losing jobs from those destroyed buildings.
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Post by melikepie on Aug 11, 2011 12:41:08 GMT
Unfortunately no trams have been damaged yet, it is mainly buses and historic buildings/businesses bearing the brunt of the mindless thugs. Why do you want trams to be damaged?
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