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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 16:32:17 GMT
With the massive new development taking place called Kings Cross Central, does it not make sense for tfl to investigate re-opening York Road station on the Piccadilly Line?
Kings Cross Central dosn't seem to be a small project and having waked from the top of the site to Kings Cross and St Pancras a few times, its not a short walk. Also the busses currently serving near the top of the development don't do a brilliant job. The 390 route for example currently has to go right around the kings cross one-way system before reaching the major stations which takes a while. Hopefully tfl will investigate bus routing around the area when the final road layout is finished. Is there a reason the 214 couldn't be routed around the development?
Perhaps if York Road is totally impossible, then Maiden Lane overground station (would probably be York Way Station now) should be considered instead? Any way its looked it, it seems worrying for such a big development to hang solely on the two major termini. There dosn't seem to be any mention of travel provisions on the developments website other than it sits next to two big termini, both of which are quite a walk away.
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Post by SE13 on Jul 30, 2011 17:22:06 GMT
ISTR that there was a proposal for this quite a few years ago, quite probably well before the redevelopment was started. The original station closed in the 30's because it was underused, and I think also because KX and Caledonian Road are relatively close, but then Covent Garden and Leicester Square are quite close too, but obviously with far higher footfall. I don't think it ever got the go ahead, or even a review, besides which, it'd need huge amounts of redevelopment as there's almost nothing apart from the surface and the original platform areas left. There are some pictures on the abandoned stations site (from which I found this place incidentally) which can be found HERE and an indicator as to the work needed to reopen it. Well worth a look at that place, there's some fascinating pictures of all the ghost stations on there too. Confession time, but the amount of times I've been through there on Picc train, and every single time I forget to look out for whatever is left, get to Cally Road and think "I've done it again!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 18:11:27 GMT
Don't think there's much there apart from empty station tunnels. However, last time I went by, I believe the shell of the former signal cabin - abolished April 1964 - at the east end of the eastbound platform, is still there.
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Post by slugabed on Jul 30, 2011 18:21:30 GMT
There's also been an idea kicked about by the local councils (Camden and Islington) to re-open Maiden Lane on the NLL...it may even have had the backing of the developer at some point. Things have gone quiet in recent years though,probably once they'd done the sums....
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Post by v52gc on Jul 30, 2011 22:02:58 GMT
The signal cabin leftover is still there, the platform areas are mostly opened out
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 30, 2011 22:25:46 GMT
The signal cabin leftover is still there, the platform areas are mostly opened out In all my years on the system the platforms were never there, having been removed long ago. The spiral staircase was replaced in the 1980s because it was an unsafe structure having rotted away at the bottom due to water ingress. The surface building were occupied by the Fire Protection Engineers staff and later by FP installation contractors too. I ran the comms cable to the offices from Kings Cross years ago but taking all the equipment and trolleys in through Caledonian Road as using the lifts there was easier than negotiating the bullring and escalators at Kings Cross. To suggest that Kings Cross and York Road are quite close is wrong, there is a good distance between them although York road to Cally Road is even longer. Covent Garden and Leicester Square are very close, little more than a train's length, I used to walk through there a lot doing maintenance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2011 22:38:24 GMT
The distance between King's Cross and Caledonian Road is officially 1.96 km (and Leicester Square - Covent Garden is 0.26km).
Roughly, King's Cross to York Road is 0.60km and York Road - Caledonian Road 1.3km, give or take a few metres.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 30, 2011 22:56:33 GMT
The distance between King's Cross and Caledonian Road is officially 1.96 km (and Leicester Square - Covent Garden is 0.26km). Roughly, King's Cross to York Road is 0.60km and York Road - Caledonian Road 1.3km, give or take a few metres. As I said there's a good distance between them, 600m is 100m more than on the average cable drum! ;D
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Post by edwin on Jul 31, 2011 4:59:17 GMT
Well if it ever does get re-opened they won't have to pay for disabled access as the lifts already reach platform level, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2011 8:56:19 GMT
Yes indeed, one of the few stations where lifts reach(ed) platform level. Caledonian Road and Earl's Court (Picc) are existing examples, and are shown as "step free" on the car line diagrams. There are several other locations which have had lifts in the past, where "step free" could apply to one or other (or both) of the platforms served.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2011 16:09:37 GMT
There was also a discussion about installing a couple of reversing sidings at York Road to give the Picc a bit more breathing space at the east end of the line.
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Post by trivran on Aug 4, 2011 7:59:41 GMT
Yummy, reversing sidings.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Aug 4, 2011 10:22:20 GMT
Yummy, reversing sidings. I feel the same way ;D.
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Post by trc666 on Aug 4, 2011 11:22:24 GMT
I personally think that even if they don't reopen the station or install sidings, they should at least reinstate the crossover, and with some minor resignalling it would mean that trains could reverse at either Kings Cross St Pancras or Caledonian Road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 11:25:25 GMT
There was also a discussion about installing a couple of reversing sidings at York Road to give the Picc a bit more breathing space at the east end of the line. I once made up a signalling diagram of a four-platform York Road station where the existing central tunnels were used as terminus platforms and two new outer platform tunnels were dug, allowing Piccadilly services to be turned back into the city instead of running them all the way out to Arnos Grove to reverse. Given how difficult it is to easily reverse east-to-west on the eastern end of the Picc, such a facility could be very valuable for timetable resilience. Combined with an NLL interchange it makes even more sense, since passengers now get to board the reversers...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 14:42:13 GMT
TheOneKEA, who did you do that signalling diagram for? Was this a potential Underground project at some stage? If so I'd love to see the diagrams...
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