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Post by A60stock on Jul 14, 2011 14:28:53 GMT
the stock is now 20 years old, almost all other stock thatreceived a refurb happened around that age completely changing the interior looks. Its odd that the W and C trains look so much newer than the much more intensively used central line ones!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 14, 2011 15:18:36 GMT
the stock is now 20 years old, almost all other stock thatreceived a refurb happened around that age completely changing the interior looks. Its odd that the W and C trains look so much newer than the much more intensively used central line ones! It was due to receive more extensive work as part of this "refresh", new interior lights, new seat pans- higher seats, armrests, renewing all external joints. That's why downgraded from refurb to "refresh". |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 14, 2011 18:56:21 GMT
The other day I was in carriage 93412 and there must be something wrong with the train. There was a vast amount of shaking as we were going. It was a significant amount more than normal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 20:35:24 GMT
@uzair Siddiqi, Thats what used to happen when they were allowed past 85kph
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2011 4:37:13 GMT
the stock is now 20 years old, almost all other stock thatreceived a refurb happened around that age completely changing the interior looks. Its odd that the W and C trains look so much newer than the much more intensively used central line ones! The W&C 482s were refurbed in 2006. As Dstock said the current work was meant to be a thorough refurb but was cut back to a “refresh” due to TfL’s budget being cut by around 20% for the next four years. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 16, 2011 10:07:13 GMT
The W&C 482s were refurbed in 2006. As Dstock said the current work was meant to be a thorough refurb but was cut back to a “refresh” due to TfL’s budget being cut by around 20% for the next four years. It did include repainting into LU livery - until then they carried Network South East colours  |
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Post by causton on Jul 16, 2011 11:44:30 GMT
Wow, they look like proper DMIs and train numbers! Why would they be needed on this line  |
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Post by auxsetreq on Jul 16, 2011 11:46:07 GMT
Re the Vandalism thread and in general. I wish we could re-furbish the attitude those who actually use the things. Lazy, filthy litter droppers who think they're educated. So called but who leave piles of free papers that are an utter fire hazard to say the least. Banana skins, chicken bones, pizza left overs, beer cans, wine bottles etc, vomit, vomit, vomit - floors, seats, platforms...............And then, guess what? They complain about the dirt.............
Re-furbing the 92 or any other is just a waste of money in my opinion. Line the lot with stainless steel and sluice out each night with a water cannon...........
Right, off now to deal with the above. I've already set my Hotpoint for a 40c/1200 wash n spin 'cos that's what it'll be doing when I get in. Me and my togs.................
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 5:57:11 GMT
Re-furbing the 92 or any other is just a waste of money in my opinion. Line the lot with stainless steel and sluice out each night with a water cannon........... Is that before or after we’ve woken up the drunks who’ve fallen asleep and ended up at Epping when they wanted to get off at Snaresbrook? |
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Post by auxsetreq on Jul 17, 2011 8:20:02 GMT
Re-furbing the 92 or any other is just a waste of money in my opinion. Line the lot with stainless steel and sluice out each night with a water cannon........... Is that before or after we’ve woken up the drunks who’ve fallen asleep and ended up at Epping when they wanted to get off at Snaresbrook? Oh, it's got to be after. Shove the water cannon nozzle right up their jacksies and give em colonic irrigation at full pressure. That way they'll *touch out* for good.................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not that keen on working Saturday nights, but then again who is....... "Zoo Night" I call it. When all the party animalets come out and "go up tahn" dressed to the min hoping to score with Ashley Cole in some club.......... Barkingside WB last night approx oh eight o'clock hundred hours PM............. ......... Five bintlets teeter on wearing "dresses" so minuscule that it made their legs appear that they joined directly onto their necks. Swigging from a bottles of Blossom Hill Vin Blotto ( confirmed when I checked the empties casually strewn on the bloooo seats at Ealing ) They boarded shrieking cackling inanities that could be picked up by every eardrum within a radius of ten nautical miles.............. ...................This obviously called for a TFL *speciality* - Which as everyone knows these days is not about moving people, but more about saturation PA announcements within thirty milliseconds. If a PA is not at hand, use a free newspaper rolled up to make a makeshift megaphone <<<< The latest managerial directive........ ..........So I did my duty, not a BBB - Boris Booze Ban announcement, but one concerning their general well being........... " Ladies, seeing as you are dressed for going swimming, I think I should point out that you've left without your beach towels to dry yourselves off. You'll catch your deaths.........." The little accessory bags they carried could in no way accommodate a towel of any size. The biggest thing one could squeeze in would be a £1 coin or Olly Mur's hat.............. Vomit score on stabling last night - 4/10. Not bad considering. Ankle deep rather than the usual knee high.............. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2011 10:40:26 GMT
In the last few years I've found Thursdays to be worse than Fridays and Saturdays and the East end of the line is noticeably worse than the West end.
As for the drinking ban I think everyone forgot about it after six months, maybe less. The problem was never with drinking on the trains anyway, it was people getting drunk up West and then going home on the Tube afterwards.
What a long escalator Holborn has .......whoops, bumpety, bumpety, bump, crash.
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Post by jardine01 on Aug 3, 2011 14:05:01 GMT
The 1992 stock refresh is not what I would call a refresh the train still looks the same to me and those blue seats look awful why could they not of just put some new red seats in?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 9:52:00 GMT
The 1992 stock refresh is not what I would call a refresh the train still looks the same to me and those blue seats look awful why could they not of just put some new red seats in? There's a near duplicate discussion at "Less tape on cabs", I've posted details there of the latest news |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 16:34:24 GMT
If a PA is not at hand, use a free newspaper rolled up to make a makeshift megaphone The latest managerial directive........ At least it would sound an awful lot clearer than some of the PA speakers on the 92's. Sometimes on hearing a train leave "mind the doors" comes out as "mineblobeuighrui" follwed by the slow door closure *beeeeeep* pssssshhhhhhhh and they eventually doors close. Instead of the loud 95/6 PA system which is very crisp and clear and the brutal door closure. Much more efficient. Am I alone in thinking that? and Emma Clarke's voice also seems to play with extreme bass compared with a manual PA.  Its good to hear they are repainting the trains though, all the graffiti attacks and chemical sprays really have taken their toll. And hopefully floor repairs where needed, I have seen units where theyv'e just gone over it with hazard tape. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2011 16:54:37 GMT
In the last few years I've found Thursdays to be worse than Fridays and Saturdays and the East end of the line is noticeably worse than the West end. As for the drinking ban I think everyone forgot about it after six months, maybe less. The problem was never with drinking on the trains anyway, it was people getting drunk up West and then going home on the Tube afterwards. What a long escalator Holborn has .......whoops, bumpety, bumpety, bump, crash. Owww. So what happens then if you do drink alcohol on the tube now and a member of staff sees you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2011 10:04:32 GMT
So what happens then if you do drink alcohol on the tube now and a member of staff sees you. If a member of LUL staff spots someone drinking alcohol we are still required to approach them and go through the procedure but I have no idea if station staff do this. As a train driver if a passenger comes up to my cab and tells me that there is someone drinking on my train I have to go back to deal with it but I’ve not had to do that since before Christmas 2008. I’ve seen people drinking as I pull into platforms but I’m certainly not going to shut down the service while I go back and remonstrate with them. When you’ve got anywhere up to a thousand passengers on board you aren’t going to mess up their journeys and the journeys of all the passengers on the trains stuck behind you just to argue with one drunk. If BTP spot you that's another matter....... |
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Post by auxsetreq on Aug 8, 2011 20:11:04 GMT
I didn't approach someone drinking alcohol the other night, he, or it approached me. A Severn bore of it rushed under the J door and attacked my footsies. It was a scene right out of Quatermass. Thank Gawd that always by default I plonk all that brown stuff we have to carry round on the trainer's seat. Another "splurrrrgh n splash" from behind the door made me open it and remonstrate with the Stella boozie. He took another gulp, stared into space and said "Ok Mate" - Only, repeat *only* as this was the last EB taking *me home* did it remain in service. Other than that it would of been, " All Change Please. The gushing geyser responsible for you all getting the heave-ho is vomming up over there. Feel free to kick whatever part of it you want"...............................
.........................All me togs went straight into my Hotpoint at 40c, 1200 spin with two capfuls of Persil Small & Mighty non bio with a load of conditioner to kill the stink........................Punters and top mangement as a whole don't see this, unless they're the ones causing it..............
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Description - A pair of legs joining straight onto the neck. The neck "dressed" in a mini so short it's really a dog collar. On top of the neck is a make-up caked head wobbling away beneath the hair extensions. Two pipe cleaner arms protrude from each side of the dog collar "dress" just strong enough to plug the glitter lipped cackling gob with a bottle of £7.99 Lipton's Rose'..............I know it was £7.99 from Liptons 'cos I knew the empties would still be on at the other end for me to take a gander at, and they were..............
There's no point in telling such bintlets they can't booze on The Tube, because they don't know that they are actually on it and that outside their little bubble world other people exist. Their only interface with the outside universe is via the little screens on the phones that they perpetually fiddle with. I suppose I could of attempted to Tweet them by pulling my underpants up over my head. Or would that be Facebook them? It's all so confusing these days..........
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Post by jamesb on Aug 13, 2011 8:26:48 GMT
I've been on a couple of 1992 stock with new seat covers and revised window frames. But is that it? That is the refresh?! The seats looked better, but the red covering on some of the bars were still off, the floor was still bubbling.
Half of me thinks that was money well spent - i.e. people just want to sit on a decent seat and not have water dripping not their head. Replacing the lighting etc. was a luxury. But still, after all those poor 1992 stock have been through...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 8:48:22 GMT
jamesb - full details on "Less tape on cabs". We've got two semi-parallel threads running
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Post by SE13 on Aug 13, 2011 8:54:37 GMT
They are, and it's probably worth merging the pair together unless the directions they pull are going to change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 14:28:13 GMT
Hey, you're the moderator. I just drive them.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 14, 2011 8:01:35 GMT
See how it pans out over the next few days - If nothing changes, I'll merge, however they were two separate issues, so let's give the two a chance  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 18:39:58 GMT
I guess with where the 92s started from there was less that could be upgraded. What I mean by that is, compared with say the D stock refurb; that was a complete gutting of the interior, adding the DVA, new seats, new grab poles etc. With the 92s the main problem (in my view) is simply the poor build quality. There's only so much you can do to them before it becomes more cost-effective to just buy a new fleet.
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Post by SE13 on Sept 12, 2011 9:29:41 GMT
Think in terms of your local council after the winter, the roads were an utter mess, but it's cheaper for them to throw a load of loose chippings down than properly repair the road. At the minute, it's going to be cheaper for LU to paper over the cracks than refleet the Central, especially when the Piccadilly and Bakerloo have far older trains with less issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 6:33:56 GMT
SE13 - the tender for new Picc trains (which I think were due to enter service in 2014 ahead of new trains for the B'loo) was withdrawn last year with the gloomy prediction that it wouldn't be reissued until 2018 at the earliest.
The 92s are going to be around for a long, long time unless someone finds a few billion down the back of the sofa. I retire in 2025, I'm not expecting to be trained on any new stock........
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Post by traindudeman12 on Sept 14, 2011 19:08:19 GMT
If the stock is gone when there updating,Im gonna bust Mike Brown's mouth.
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Post by alfie on Sept 14, 2011 21:08:33 GMT
Just waiting for the 2060 Central Line Stock I am..
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Post by plasmid on Sept 15, 2011 0:21:24 GMT
The Central Line is quite simply a test line for all other lines.
92ts was the first of it's kind, didn't start off well but has progressed into a solid train.
What's the odd's that in 2020 should LUL decide to re-tender that the Central Line will get another "first of it's kind" Space Train...which would of course be filled with many teething issues.
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Post by auxsetreq on Sept 15, 2011 7:50:27 GMT
SE13 The 92s are going to be around for a long, long time unless someone finds a few billion down the back of the sofa. I retire in 2025, I'm not expecting to be trained on any new stock........ 2025!!! - OMG, that don't bear thinking about. I'm going in mid 2013 and I'm counting the days. I'm hanging on for that Daily Mail invented £1800 bonus, which as we know will be more like 50p. If the rumours are true, and they seem to be consistent, then after the Olympix rather than thirty three trains per hour, it'll be more like three operated by slaves from an illegal travellers site. TFL will be renamed as My Big Fat Gypsy Tube........... Got to remember that much of that train has been rebuilt, though it don't show 'cos it's all under the floor...........There's still a lot of life in them yet, I've heard up until at least 2022............ |
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Post by Ben on Sept 15, 2011 13:21:57 GMT
Thats a good point. Though they have settles down now (only 17 years in...), the capital expenditure on them since introduction through modding must surely be extremely high in comparison to initial cost. We're getting back to Triggers' Broom here...
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