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Post by 1018509 on Jul 12, 2011 22:46:33 GMT
During my time as a mobile TT1 on the Met. & Picc. I often rode in the cab to Aldgate.
During that time the National Rail line that comes under the Met. and then runs parallel to it to Liverpool Street was dug up, re-laid and electrified I believe.
First question is why was this done?
Second question, is this the City Widened Lines?
Third question is did it go any else between Kings Cross and Liverpool Street? By this I mean was there a branch to somewhere else around the Farringdon area?
Final question is it now closed and if so why?
No it isn't I have one more.
When I was a train spotter at Kings Cross aeons ago; when standing at the end of the platform nearest to the loco sidings there was a small platform across the main lines, one platform serving trains coming out of the tunnel towards, but avoiding, the main station. Was this the tunnel to the Liverpool Street line mentioned above? I believe it may have been called Kings Cross Suburban. Further to this did the same trains stop at the Kings Cross National Rail station that was parallel to the Metropolitan line or were these platforms Kings Cross Suburban.
A lot of questions I know but I also know that some of you kind souls on here will enjoy enlightening me.
Any long serving Met. or Picc. driver reading this will know me from my 19 years at Rayners Lane call point.
Thanks to all.
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Post by andypurk on Jul 12, 2011 23:10:19 GMT
During my time as a mobile TT1 on the Met. & Picc. I often rode in the cab to Aldgate. During that time the National Rail line that comes under the Met. and then runs parallel to it to Liverpool Street was dug up, re-laid and electrified I believe. First question is why was this done? As part of the electrification of the suburban services from London to Bedford via the Midland Mainline, as the previous diesel service ran to both St. Pancras and Moorgate (for easy access to the City). Yes these National Rail lines were the City Widened Lines. The NR lines never reached Liverpool Street, but terminated at Moorgate. Originally the Moorgate line was the branch, off the line from King's Cross - Farringdon - Snow Hill Tunnel - Blackfriars. This route was lifted in the early 1970s, just leaving the Moorgate branch from the Midland Mainline. The Farringdon - Moorgate section is now closed, as the Thameslink platforms at Farringdon are being lengthened to twelve cars, over the former branch track bed (and the new Farringdon station building is being built on top of the site). The Moorgate branch closed late 2010. This was the York Road curve, connecting the London bound East Coast Mainline surburban routes to the same line as above. There was also a connection on the other side for country bound trains (called the Hotel Curve). Both connections closed in 1976, when the Suburban services were diverted to Moorgate using the North City Line tunnels from Finsbury Park(former LU). New connections to the East Coast mainline are to be opened in a few years time, but connecting from further north into the northern end of the new(ish) St. Pancras Thameslink station.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 23:14:53 GMT
Bedpan (Bedford to St Pancras) electrification - unsure of the year - early '80s? - which included the City Widened Lines to Moorgate.
The Kings Cross station parallel to the Circle/Met/H&C was called Kings Cross Midland City and later renamed to Kings Cross Thameslink
The 'branch' at Farringdon is the Snow Hill tunnel, which is now the Thameslink route through City Thameslink (originally named St Pauls Thameslink) to Blackfriars, thence via Elephant and Castle to the Wimbledon loop or (usually) via London Bridge to Brighton via East Croydon.
IIRC the Snow Hill tunnel route joined the line from Holborn Viaduct roughly where City Thameslink is now.
EDIT: Beaten to it by andypurk!!
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Post by 1018509 on Jul 12, 2011 23:48:11 GMT
Wow really quick informative response. Thanks guys.
Have become more interested in railways since I gave up working for them. Was/am GWR fan. Imagine my horror a few weeks ago when I realised that most of my beloved Warships, Hymeks, and Westerns have been broken up. Sad days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 0:46:50 GMT
Wow really quick informative response. Thanks guys. Have become more interested in railways since I gave up working for them. Was/am GWR fan. Imagine my horror a few weeks ago when I realised that most of my beloved Warships, Hymeks, and Westerns have been broken up. Sad days. Wow this must be some kind of timezone we just fell out of..................................
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 13, 2011 6:59:58 GMT
As already mentioned, the platform with its own separate entrance used for Moorgate-bound trains off the GN route was "York Road". Kings Cross suburban was, and still is, the set of platforms on the other side of the main train shed, and outside it. This is the present platforms 9-11, although originally there were more, and included the sloping platform 16 which led off the "Hotel Curve".
Note that the present platform 9 was originally numbered 11, as there were ten platforms in the main train shed (although platforms 3 and 9 were abolished early on).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 22:18:46 GMT
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