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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 8, 2011 7:03:11 GMT
According to the TfL website, the District Line will not run west of West Kensington tomorrow. That seems an odd place to terminate trains - the Picadilly is running to Hammersmith - but presumably the District can reverse at WK. But why run beyond Earls Court aat all, if yuou can only get one stop further? Couldn't more trains be sent to Wimbledon and/or Olympia?
Can the DMIs display "West Kensington" and, if not, what will they say? How many passengers will end up there and have to retrun to Earls Court I wonder?
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Post by roythebus on Jul 8, 2011 7:14:55 GMT
Makes sense as you'd have to depart from the w/b platform at EC which IIRC isn't signalled for passenger moves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 7:38:26 GMT
Reversal at West Kensington makes sense as with a 10 min interval service you provide a service to a station that would not justify a rail replacement bus on it's own. It removes the reversal from Earls Court, which is possible in passenger service, to allow flexibility though all other trains are booked through platform 4. There ia no other convienient reversal point west of West Kensington.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 9:00:26 GMT
The indicators on the trains can state "West Kensington". Don't know about the platforms though.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 8, 2011 9:39:04 GMT
West Kensington reversals during engineering work like this weekend are not at all unusual. I don't know about LED platform displays east of Earl's Court, however I know that the next train arrow indicator on the WB District line platforms at Earl's Court cannot display West Kensington - it is not one of the possible destinations.
Edit: roythebus - Trains can reverse WB to EB at Earl's Court. A passenger reversal from platform 3 (WB) allows trains to go back onto the EB main line only.
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Post by londonse on Jul 8, 2011 9:52:44 GMT
Makes sense as you'd have to depart from the w/b platform at EC which IIRC isn't signalled for passenger moves. EC16 EB from platform 3 but you can only go to Gloucester Rd. Paul
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Post by Colin on Jul 8, 2011 11:50:21 GMT
Platform DMI's will display Ealing Broadway - yes, I know!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 12:18:46 GMT
We must remember that a West Kensington service may be needed to convey staff to and from Ashfield House.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 8, 2011 12:22:46 GMT
We must remember that a West Kensington service may be needed to convey staff to and from Ashfield House. At weekends?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 12:50:00 GMT
We must remember that a West Kensington service may be needed to convey staff to and from Ashfield House. At weekends? Just looked in the District WTT, 'AH' note - conveys staff members to and from Ashfield House - do not cancel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 12:54:41 GMT
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Post by roythebus on Jul 8, 2011 16:25:38 GMT
It's a long time since i worked on the DR!
Back in about 1967, there was a huge railway emergency service, as it was known as in those days between W.Ken and Acton Town, using what seemed like 100 odd assorted RT/RTL/RTWs, due to bridge replacement at Stamford Brook. I've got some cine film of it somewhere.
So yes, the DR did terminate at W Ken then. The buses went in via Barons court Bridge, Barons Court Road, and terminated by the railway. Of course, there were very few cars around in those days. Such a move would be impossible today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 16:49:05 GMT
But wouldn't olympia be a great place to divert on this weekend?? As West Ken is a short walk away, and your reversal could be in and out of olympia within 5 mins. I would also cancel the HSK-olympia shuttle and put the two trains from that on the 'main line'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 2:20:18 GMT
I think West Ken works well since at least there is the flexibility of bringing another train into the westbound platform while the driver is walking through the previous train at that stopping point (sorry this isn't the tech term!) just west of the station. I've seen that happen a couple of times today, and in the equivalent situation if they were using Olympia it would have left passengers stuck on board between ECT & OLY for several minutes.
Incidentally, do these "West Ken reversing" weekends mean more work for Earl's Court signallers than a normal day?
I imagined such operations would require increased manual actions than when trains are heading off west out of the area. I guessed someone has to see when the train stops at that right place towards Barons Court, then throw the points, watch for it to arrive into the eastbound platform and then return to normal - manually?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 7:22:24 GMT
A train at West Kensington cannot be brought into the westbound platform (as you have described) until the train before has depearted the eastbound platform, so that the points used to reverse have returned to the normal position.
For this timetable, the Hammersmith signalman is working West Kensington and Hammersmith in Push Button mode and manually routing all trains and adding their Train Descriptions. It's the same at Northfields too.
At all three sites, great care has to be taken as it is possible to "lock up" a site by bringing a train to the rear, too close so that the first can't be reversed!
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Post by causton on Jul 10, 2011 10:33:27 GMT
Semi-related, as it's the same closure, but the DMIs at Kings Cross said Acton Town as presumably they couldn't display Hammersmith! I was confused and thought the train was set up wrong then I looked on the TfL site and realised the closure *was* to Hammersmith!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2011 18:13:01 GMT
Harry - watching from the bridge close to Ashfield House, with an eye on TubeBuddy I really thought that was happening. My apologies
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 10, 2011 21:07:02 GMT
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