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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 23:26:17 GMT
People will get used to the fact they can walk through the train, and will get used to the doors closing after 45 seconds at a terminus, and will get used to not all running for 1 set of doors at a terminus because all the others are closed. . Absolutely right. As we approach winter the trains will keep warmer when standing at the platform for long periods. Hopefully they will soon switch to passenger open mode and lose even less heat as unused doors will remain closed; it works fine on the Overground. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 0:42:54 GMT
People will get used to the fact they can walk through the train, and will get used to the doors closing after 45 seconds at a terminus, and will get used to not all running for 1 set of doors at a terminus because all the others are closed. . Absolutely right. As we approach winter the trains will keep warmer when standing at the platform for long periods. Hopefully they will soon switch to passenger open mode and lose even less heat as unused doors will remain closed; it works fine on the Overground. An S-stock train I was travelling on tonight was using passenger open mode (.. presumably due to the very cold temperatures..) Does anyone know if this is going to become a regular thing during winter? |
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Post by 21146 on Dec 1, 2012 11:48:39 GMT
I was on a Class 378 yesterday. Being held due to the over-generous running time but was unable to close the doors to conserve heat as the relevant button was disabled.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 23:05:47 GMT
We have no instructions to switch to passenger open.
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Post by metrider on Dec 4, 2012 22:36:33 GMT
... An S-stock train I was travelling on tonight was using passenger open mode (.. presumably due to the very cold temperatures..) Does anyone know if this is going to become a regular thing during winter? We have no instructions to switch to passenger open. Might not be a bad thing on the colder days 'though.. About a week ago we had quite a cold and windy day. One thing that hit me was how quickly the cold wind whipped through the car. It seems to be worse on the S stock due to the lack of the partitions caused by the higher backs that the A stock seats had. An instance of this is the clear space under the seats allowing the cold air to blow right through at floor level (and on that day, up my trouser leg!  ) Additionally as all most trains are now all stations, this gives less opportunity for the carriages to warm up between stops. [cue sepia tinted image of contented passenger on a toasty A stock, on a long run between semi-fast stations, with feet up against the heater beneath the seat opposite.... Bliss  ] |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 4, 2012 22:47:09 GMT
Yes, the A stock were lovely and warm inside, as long as the heaters were working properly!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 16:51:34 GMT
"We have no instructions to switch to passenger open. "
When WILL LU switch to passenger operation of the doors? They must be the only rail, metro or light rail system IN THE WORLD that has the facility for passengers to open the doors but somehow doesn't allow the passenger to use them.
It's bl****y cold out here in the sticks, and even colder when you have to sit in a train for the best part of an hour and the doors open every two or three minutes when hardly anyone gets in or out.
What IS the reason for not going to full passenger mode now that all trains are S stock?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 21:17:42 GMT
That's nothing.
At Barking on an east bound District Line the doors are open on both sides to help with interchange with the Goblin line and C2C. Both of them have passenger operated doors, but the D stock has had the buttons removed I think because "Passengers don't know how to use them" !! I tell you - folk over 70 really feel the cold!!! At least this one does.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 5, 2012 21:23:23 GMT
I too find LU's policy strange. LO, DLR and National Rail all use passenger open without, seemingly, any issues.
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Post by metrailway on Dec 6, 2012 0:10:44 GMT
I too find LU's policy strange. LO, DLR and National Rail all use passenger open without, seemingly, any issues. You clearly haven't seen any of the infrequent users who try to board/alight Chiltern units on the Amersham branch! When a train stops, they walk up to the doors and then stand there for about ten seconds waiting for the doors to open. Of course, the doors don't open. It is only when the regular passenger behind them runs out of patience and opens the doors for them that they manage to board/alight. |
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Post by Ben on Dec 6, 2012 2:21:03 GMT
The more they use the Passenger Door Open, the less wear the air cons will get from trying to run wih the doors open. If it was going to prove a problem, just introduce it with temporary stickers in the door windows
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Post by metrider on Dec 6, 2012 7:06:32 GMT
.... When a train stops, they walk up to the doors and then stand there for about ten seconds waiting for the doors to open. Whilst I think Passenger open is a generally good idea, I do foresee a few issues. (My thoughts as a passenger) The activation of the door buttons is not particularly obvious. It would be quite easy for someone not familiar it them not to notice and/or realise the significance of the rosette of lights around the button. My suggestion would have been to make the lights flash at maybe 1Hz whilst active. Much easier to notice as the eye/brain notices things that move/change over that which stays static. The met particularly south of Harrow is quite busy ( I travel in the peak but against the flow) Over that run (and I presume through the city) every set of doors would be commanded to open anyway. Don't know about off-peak or north of Harrow... The number of trains squeezed down the local lines gives the impression of being slightly beyond optimum capacity with the current timetable, with trains running as close as possible between Harrow and Wembley. Any delay in opening doors would maybe add a few more second dwell and slow things even more... Not quite so straight forward, methinks! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 12:12:53 GMT
The thing is that people just aren't familiar with them.
Yesterday morning when I entered the eastbound platform at Kings X an S stock was being held at the station due to a passenger emergency alarm being pulled somewhere, and was there for about 10 minutes from when I arrived (judging by build-up of people on the platform it had been there for about 2 minutes already). The doors were closed (presumably because with the very cold weather they were set to passenger open mode). But despite the train probably having space to squeeze a few more on (in particular there seemed to be some gaps in the aisles), I saw not one person on a crowded platform press the door opening button.
In reverse, every day I see passengers pressing the useless Northern line door opening buttons when they get impatient...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 12:55:29 GMT
Perhaps an announcement ("Press the button to open the doors") could be set up to play at the appropriate moment (when the buttons become active)
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2012 19:25:30 GMT
The thing is that people just aren't familiar with them. Yesterday morning when I entered the eastbound platform at Kings X an S stock was being held at the station due to a passenger emergency alarm being pulled somewhere, and was there for about 10 minutes from when I arrived (judging by build-up of people on the platform it had been there for about 2 minutes already). The doors were closed (presumably because with the very cold weather they were set to passenger open mode). But despite the train probably having space to squeeze a few more on (in particular there seemed to be some gaps in the aisles), I saw not one person on a crowded platform press the door opening button. In reverse, every day I see passengers pressing the useless Northern line door opening buttons when they get impatient... Doors on S stock automatically close after being open for 45 seconds. This happens even when the train is not in passenger open mode. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 20:21:15 GMT
A S8 I was on was held at a station for 15 mins with all doors open, which I thought was odd.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2012 20:30:13 GMT
A S8 I was on was held at a station for 15 mins with all doors open, which I thought was odd. The 45 second auto-close can be overridden. Was it at an open air station? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:46:48 GMT
It was at Great Portland Street, why would the auto-close need to be overridden?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2012 22:50:35 GMT
It was at Great Portland Street, why would the auto-close need to be overridden? I'm not sure why - but it can! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 14:12:47 GMT
It was at Great Portland Street, why would the auto-close need to be overridden? I'm not sure why - but it can! Train detrained in a platform owing to an emergency on board. Doors closing after 45s would be obstructive to the emergency services trying to carry out their work. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 18:50:57 GMT
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