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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 21:16:11 GMT
I understand there's a way of fitting S8 in WPK sidings by removing alternate roads and their sets of points. That would leave 3 roads long enough to use, which is probably still pretty useful for 3 extra SB trains after a Wembley event. Wasn't aware of that option - sounds plausible the big ... 'however' ... can't see that being part of any plan as it will cost money to do in the long run, but 'if', big 'IF' and unlikely ... other projects come in under budget then it could be a go-er? The other thing to bear in mind is the demand for post Wembley return event traffic at present the level required to return a 'full house' to CLondon is 18tph Met (2 tph boost) and 15 tph Jub in the next year an increase in capacity is planned on both lines, Jub in shere levels of tph and Met in the number of passengers who can fit onto a train in terms of more on S8 than on A Will the sidings really be required for event traffic in the future in respect to meeting demand levels? |
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Post by citysig on Nov 20, 2011 22:50:57 GMT
The sidings have always been favoured for events - even though, despite numerous requests, timetables still occasionally have our event trains coming out of depot at odd times to reverse at Harrow (this has been less recently, and should be even lesser come WTT331 - evening peak finishers at Wembley Pk Sidings - unless formed of S-stock).
Back to the point, the sidings offer a very neat passage for empty trains to join the main in the direction of return event traffic, with trains being able to arrive in the platform exactly when needed - rather than hoping they will leave depot / arrive from Harrow at the desired time.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 20, 2011 22:53:44 GMT
I understand there's a way of fitting S8 in WPK sidings by removing alternate roads and their sets of points. That would leave 3 roads long enough to use, which is probably still pretty useful for 3 extra SB trains after a Wembley event. Exactly what they did with Triangle, for C into S7, reduce 5 roads into 3. |
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Post by citysig on Nov 20, 2011 23:10:16 GMT
I understand there's a way of fitting S8 in WPK sidings by removing alternate roads and their sets of points. That would leave 3 roads long enough to use, which is probably still pretty useful for 3 extra SB trains after a Wembley event. Exactly what they did with Triangle, for C into S7, reduce 5 roads into 3. Which is all well and good, and does give what may be a more cost-effective solution - until it is remembered that Wembley Park Sidings has already had its "closure for refurbishment and to make ready for the new stock - costing hundreds of thousands of pounds." It was one of the first areas where the upgrade was meant to have taken place. |
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Post by t697 on Nov 21, 2011 7:00:10 GMT
Exactly what they did with Triangle, for C into S7, reduce 5 roads into 3. Which is all well and good, and does give what may be a more cost-effective solution - until it is remembered that Wembley Park Sidings has already had its "closure for refurbishment and to make ready for the new stock - costing hundreds of thousands of pounds." It was one of the first areas where the upgrade was meant to have taken place. Sadly, a Tubelines project, for (then) Metronet trains, controlled by LUL. Any surprise the spec didn't seem to allow for (then) tomorrow's trains?!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 20:47:34 GMT
The sidings have always been favoured for events - even though, despite numerous requests, timetables still occasionally have our event trains coming out of depot at odd times to reverse at Harrow (this has been less recently, and should be even lesser come WTT331 - evening peak finishers at Wembley Pk Sidings - unless formed of S-stock). Back to the point, the sidings offer a very neat passage for empty trains to join the main in the direction of return event traffic, with trains being able to arrive in the platform exactly when needed - rather than hoping they will leave depot / arrive from Harrow at the desired time. It is unlikely that there will be any Wembley event trains 'scheduled' from Wembley Park Sidings from WTT 331, as there is no guarantee there will be 'A' stock positioned there and allied to the fact that half way through this WTT ( in theory) it will be an all 'S8' railway On the MF the 2 extra trains to boost the event service no longer stable back at Neasden post event |
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Post by citysig on Nov 21, 2011 23:10:36 GMT
half way through this WTT ( in theory) it will be an all 'S8' railway Of course I'm saying nothing   ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 11:06:27 GMT
S Stock availability is improving, 17 trains in service for yesterdays evening peak.
Only 3 not working 21006/21014/21016.
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Post by jmm on Nov 26, 2011 12:16:07 GMT
Is reliability improving too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 15:19:35 GMT
Is reliability improving too? I hope its not ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 22:44:35 GMT
Gosh, this hate of S Stock is really getting old now. I can't wait to have entire Met fleet to be comprised of it! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 12:41:35 GMT
Are S's being kept west of Baker Street? Twice this week I've not taken my usual route home and noted everything around the city has been A stock. Still trying to get my first ride on an S without taking time off work to do it!
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Post by metman on Dec 8, 2011 12:57:57 GMT
No don't think so, just bad luck I think.
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Post by citysig on Dec 8, 2011 18:24:44 GMT
Yes just bad luck, and the fact that at present, most of the S-stock workings appear to "clump" together, with the majority of them appearing all in one half of the timetable at certain times of the day. By this I mean you may wait an hour at Baker Street, and then see a steady stream of S-stock occupying all platforms and going to all destinations, before returning to a lull of new stock.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 13, 2011 15:51:25 GMT
I hear S Stock deliveries have been suspended. Only prolonging the inevitable, but I like to think that a few A Stock will make it in service up to and during the Olympics!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 17:42:02 GMT
I hear S Stock deliveries have been suspended. Only prolonging the inevitable, but I like to think that a few A Stock will make it in service up to and during the Olympics! I heard there was meant to be a delivery last week but it was cancelled due to the problems with the locos It would be great if prjb was here to tell us what is really going on... |
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Post by eurostarengineer on Dec 15, 2011 1:03:13 GMT
Deliveries were temporarily cancelled due to various issues with build quality. Doors, Software issues mainly.
Another thing was something to do about the suspensions being too bouncy, thus bumming out the levelling valves.
RAT train was out tonight and I have heard there is to be another S stock to be delivered this morning/tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 11:23:00 GMT
Deliveries were temporarily cancelled due to various issues with build quality. Doors, Software issues mainly. Another thing was something to do about the suspensions being too bouncy, thus bumming out the levelling valves. RAT train was out tonight and I have heard there is to be another S stock to be delivered this morning/tonight. 7X09 has run this week so presume thats another one delivered. |
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Post by eurostarengineer on Dec 16, 2011 11:44:23 GMT
One was delivered this week. The loco's that delivered brought the set in were at Neasden TMD last night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 12:33:30 GMT
My Gf who hates the new S stock complained to me this morning that an S stock broke down this morning on the Uxbridge branch and got stuck behind it on a A60.
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Post by Harsig on Dec 23, 2011 8:44:22 GMT
My Gf who hates the new S stock complained to me this morning that an S stock broke down this morning on the Uxbridge branch and got stuck behind it on a A60. Lucky her. I had the misfortune to be on said S - Stock, until obliged to join the following A stock. Mind you there did seem to be all sorts of interesting alarms going off in the cab. |
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Post by metman on Dec 24, 2011 10:47:19 GMT
Really? Any idea what the fault was? Were pax told?
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Post by metman on Dec 24, 2011 16:21:02 GMT
There is lots of S stock out today. I decided to treat myself to a little train ride between West Harrow and Harrow with the hope of getting an A stock and seeing what was about and got stuck on an S stock XX033/34 which has sick in it. I didn't see a single A stock in an around Harrow.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 14:51:36 GMT
Went to Harrow and back today and all the S stocks I've seen today and the one I got on back to Ickenham have some real squeeky brakes when they come into the station and didn't see many A's today but atleast went on one A stock to harrow today.
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Post by t697 on Dec 28, 2011 16:57:03 GMT
Just looked on Trackernet and with today's reduced service - Saturday style and nothing Baker St to Aldgate, virtually 50% of the Met service seems to be S stock. Is that a %age record so far I wonder.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 30, 2011 18:25:21 GMT
Quite a few S stocks out on Thursday. A lot more on the Watford / Amersham / Chesham services compared to the Uxbridge line.
All services were self contained yesterday (special timetable due to no service Baker Street - Aldgate).
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Post by plasmid on Dec 30, 2011 23:32:18 GMT
Deliveries were temporarily cancelled due to various issues with build quality. Doors, Software issues mainly. Another thing was something to do about the suspensions being too bouncy, thus bumming out the levelling valves. RAT train was out tonight and I have heard there is to be another S stock to be delivered this morning/tonight. So the suspension was too soft? Does this mean that the existing S stock already delivered suffer from this issue? I can't see how Bombardier could start to make S Stock trains half way down the build line with softer suspension. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2011 0:02:13 GMT
couple of days ago I was on car 21012 going from harrow to Eastcote and all the doors the making a scraping noise when they open and close. Don't if they have now sorted that issue but it wasn't a pleasent noise.
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Post by citysig on Dec 31, 2011 0:20:35 GMT
Just to say that, after a prolonged period of increased reliability and following a series of actions aimed at improving this reliability further, the delivery of S-stock (and the scrapping of A-stock) will resume very soon into the new year.
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Post by jmm on Dec 31, 2011 10:38:55 GMT
Good news, then!
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